D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[hopefan]

Well, I don't know if my 5 emails did anything to help, but the Maine Presque Isle scores finally got posted on their site!!!

Maine Presque Isle  103  Unity  (USCAA)  49
Fisher (NAIA D2)  80  Maine Presque Isle  65

See my further comments on the Survivor page.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 12/14

Averett 80, Newport News (USCAA) 60
Bethany, CA (NAIA 2) 76, UC Santa Cruz 70
Fisk 74, Wilberforce (NAIA 2) 54
MacMurray 96, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 67

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 12/15

Cal Baptist (NAIA 1) 89, La Sierra 45
Davidson (D1) 112, St. Mary's, MD 59
Furman (D1) 99, Sewanee 69
Maryville, MO 86, Missouri Baptist (NAIA 1) 83 (OT)
Wiley (NAIA 1) 85, East Texas Baptist 71

[hopefan]

Scores we missed

Briarcliffe (USCAA)  72    Centenary  66
Blackburn  67   Robert Morris Springfield  (USCAA)  65
Mt Olive (NCAA-D2)  89  Chowan  62

12/16/05
UNC Greensboro   (D1)   85   Greensboro   47
Portland St   (D1)   85      Lewis&Clark   59
Southern Oregon    (NAIA-D2)   56    Pacific   49
Va Wesleyan   98   Apprentice   (USCAA)   51
Ferrum  63    Davis & Elkins   (NCAA-D2)   56
Spring Hill   (NAIA-D1)   80   Methodist   72

[smedindy]

Do we have any outstanding scores that we need to put a search party on?

[hopefan]

scores from 12/17    tough day for D3

Colgate   (D1)   72   Hobart   47
Loyola Ill   (D1)   87   Lake Forest    72
Army   (D1)   53   SUNY Maritime   36
Whittier   75   La Sierra   (USCAA)   54
Claremont Mudd   73   Westmont   (NAIA-D1)   70
Mobile   (NAIA-D1)   70   Methodist   55
Biola   (NAIA-D1)   63   Pomona Pitzer   54
Waldorf   (NAIA-D2)   70   Augsburg   59
Warner Pacific   (NAIA-D2)   86   Linfield   72
Concordia Ore   (NAIA-D2)   84   Pac Lutheran   75
UW Whitewater   98   Haskell   (NAIA-D2)   49
UMSL   (NCAA-D2)   89   Blackburn   70
Chadron St   (NCAA-D2)   65   Colorado College   52
Cal St LA   (NCAA-D2)   138     Redlands   107
Rhodes   87   Pratt   (NCAA-D2)   56
Northern Michigan      (NCAA-D2)   75   St Norbert   60


Smed  :  missing
Pacific   vs  NW cHristian
Chowan  (still D3 I think)  vs  St Paul's

[hopefan]

Records thru Saturday

D3  vs  :

    D1    0  -  43
    D2    18  -  42
    NAIA D1   15  -  24
    NAIA D2    77  -  68
    NCCAA    40  -  7
     USCAA    52  -  8
     Other      26  -  0

[smedindy]

I myself wouldn't count Chowan if Pat isn't.

[hopefan]

well, yeah,  BUT  - they (Chowan) are listed in this year's NCAA DIII Basketball manual - so I'm not sure why Pat choses not to recognize them  -  I also see LaSierra is not listed, but Pat recognizes them.   I just don't know Pat's thoughts on it.... Pat.. you out there?

[Ralph Turner]

LaSierra is in year #1 of the 4 year provisional status.

The Provisional Ladder currently has:

Year #4: Spelman GA (GSAC-Women)

Year #3: Finlandia MI(Indep), Mount Mary WI (Indep), UTexas-Tyler (ASC-East), Green Mountain VT (Indep).

Year #2: UMinn-Morris from D2 and Crown MN in the Upper Midwest AC; Mount Aloysius PA in the AMCC; Keystone PA and PSU-Berks in the NEAC;  Tri-State IN in the MIAA; Maine-Presque Isle (Indep).

Year #1: Bethany Lutheran WI,  Northwestern WI, Presentation SD in UMAC; Mitchell (Pequots, a tribe of Native Americans) CT (Indep), North Central MN (Indep), SUNY-Purchase (NEAC), LaSierra CA (Indep),  Salem NC (Indep).

Slated to begin Provisional next year are:

Point Park PA, Seton Hill PA, UTexas-Permian Basin

In the Exploratory year in 2005-06:

Briarcliffe NY; UCincinatti Clermont; SUNY-Cobleskill; Doane, NE; Franciscan U, Steubenville OH;  Geneva PA; Lancaster Bible College PA;  Lincoln Christian MO (SLIAC-bound); Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State  ); SUNY-Morrisville; PSU-Harrisburg; St Vincent PA; Spaulding KY; St Joseph's VT: St Joseph's NY.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State  )

So, is there a Baines State anywhere?

[Pat Coleman]

well, yeah,  BUT  - they (Chowan) are listed in this year's NCAA DIII Basketball manual - so I'm not sure why Pat choses not to recognize them  -  I also see LaSierra is not listed, but Pat recognizes them.   I just don't know Pat's thoughts on it.... Pat.. you out there?

Ralph covers why we list La Sierra. Not sure why the NCAA book doesn't. Perhaps La Sierra has delayed its entrance.

We do not recognize Chowan because they are offering basketball scholarships. Seems cut and dried to me. The NCAA doesn't classify them as D-II until closer to the end of their transitional period, but we won't consider them D-III if they give athletic scholarships.

[Ralph Turner]

Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State  )

So, is there a Baines State anywhere?

I googled "baines.edu" and got nothing. 

[Coach C]

Chowan is not playing by the spirit or the bylawas of D3 qand should not be considered a member, even if the NCAA, in its incomprehensible logic allows them to compete at the D3 level.  This from an organizaiton that suspends players at this level for accepting rides to the airport.  Go figure.

C

[Mr. Ypsi]

If Chowan now offers scholarships, they surely are not allowed in d3 tourneys, are they?  That would seem to be a MAJOR infraction, as in DEATH PENALTY in d1 sports!

Thuys, whatever they may be labeled, Pat is absolutely correct to omit them from d3.