D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[smedindy]

St. John Fisher 59
Waterloo University 51 - D1 Canadian school

Waterloo is a D-I Canadian University - They play in the top Ontario University league which has teams that are competitive with mid-majors.  Carleton, who is in their league just played Louisville in Freedom Hall.  Yes they arnt D1 U.S. team but nevertheless considered D1 in Canada. Waterloo played and lost to Duquense U.S D1 earlier in the year.

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but I checked the Wolfe Ratings (since he rates US and Canadian teams) and Waterloo was ranked 990. That's around where teams like Roger Williams and Albright are ranked.

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cbasketball/ratings.htm

The highest ranked Canadian team was Carleton, at 333, which is around where the dregs of D-1 (lots of SWAC and Northeast teams in that neighborhood) and decent D-2 teams are located.

[FisherDynasty]

Not bursting the bubble, Canadian teams are usually awful.  Everyyear one comes into the gym and gets beat by about 50 by Fisher. Just stating they were D1 and play a competitive schedule.

[smedindy]

Again, D1 Canadian = Mid D2 / High D3 / NAIA. No reason to expect Fisher not to win.

[hopefan]

November 15    Morehouse (D2)  95     Fisk  59

Not sure if Fisk is to make it into these listings  -  I see Pat has excluded them in the Southern Region, but I think they are still officially D3, though they only play several D3 games.   Also, with the Nov 15 date, this may be an exhibition game if Fisk is D3...   Anybody know for sure?

[wilburt]

FISK is still a NCAA Division III school.  Pat (in his wisdom) has decided not to follow FISK this year apparently because FISK is only playing 4 D3 games this season. It may not be worth his time nor effort.

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Thanks for the question...

[hopefan]

Wilburt  -  is it an official game for Fisk?  or an exhibition?

[wilburt]

Don't know, but my guess was it was an exhibition.

[smedindy]

According to the Morehouse site, it was the season opener:

http://www.morehouse.edu/athletics/basketball/archives/001227.html

[hopefan]

I believe however, that what can be a real game for a D1 or D2 team can still be an exhibition for the D3 team dependent on the date played  -

[smedindy]

Ah, yeah. Makes sense, kinda...

[Pat Coleman]

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Additions and corrections are welcome.

Scores from 11/16

Albion 85, Rochester, MI (USCAA) 40
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 79, East Texas Baptist 68
Bethany Lutheran 100, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 93
Calvin 92, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 65
Clarkson 69, Albany Pharmacy (other) 48
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 61, Hope International (NAIA 1) 58
Coast Guard 73, California Maritime (NAIA 2) 62
Crown 80, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 74
DePauw 89, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 66
Dubuque 75, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 54
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 87, Pacific 49
Hendrix 90, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 77
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 80, Texas Lutheran 76
La Roche 76, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 69
Lewis & Clark 75, Northwest (NAIA 2) 67
Linfield 81, Holy Names (NAIA 2) 79
Malone (NAIA 2) 85, Grove City 61
Manchester 79, Taylor-Fort Wayne (USCAA) 69
Mary Washington 97, Penn College (other) 31
Misericordia 73, Penn State-Hazleton (other) 50
Mississippi College 83, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 57
Mt. St. Mary 75, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 69
Neumann 79, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 72
North Central, IL 81, World Harvest Bible (other) 52
Northland 82, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 75
Northwestern State (D1) 93, University of the Ozarks 78
Occidental 71, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 63
Puget Sound 124, Corban College (NAIA 2) 95
St. Mary's, TX (D2) 95, Schreiner 46
St. Vincent 105, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 61
SUNYIT 108, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 93
Texas-Permian Basin (D2) 108, Howard Payne 54
Thomas 91, Fisher (NAIA 2) 76
University of New England 102, Unity (USCAA) 35
Utica 99, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 56
Virginia Wesleyan 74, Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 70
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 85, La Verne 69
Washington & Jefferson 70, Penn State-Dubois (USCAA) 56
Widener 67, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 64
William Penn (NAIA 2) 85, Fontbonne 67
Williamette 72, Albertson (NAIA 2) 63

[wilburt]

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.

I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament.  So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament?  What are you getting at Pat?

[smedindy]

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.

I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament.  So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament?  What are you getting at Pat?

To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...

[smedindy]

11/16 - Wabash 96, Kentucky Christian 88 (NCCAA)


11/17 - Indiana Wesleyan 66, Wabash 62 (NAIA II)