D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[wilburt]

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.

I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament.  So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament?  What are you getting at Pat?

To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...

To you it may be a sanction, to the FISK athletic department it may be called "free choice"!

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 11/17

Adrian 72, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 60
Ashford (NAIA 2) 75, Rockford 64
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 79, Occidental 57
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 90, Lehman 86
Buena Vista 72, Augustana, SD (D2) 71
Cal Maritime (NAIA 2) 56, Maine Maritime 53
Central Missouri State (D2) 87, Monmouth 60
Colby 95, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 70
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 82, Augsburg 75
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 80, Macalester 65
Eastern Oregon (NAIA 2) 95, Williamette 88
Elms 90, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 78
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 71, Whitman 67
Fontbonne 100, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 63
Goucher 78, Maryland Bible (other) 73
Grand View (NAIA 2) 75, North Central, MN 41
Heidelberg 109, Tiffin (D2) 77
Hobart 97, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 70
Ithaca 100, Albany Pharmacy (other) 50
Jamestown, SD (NAIA 2) 87, Northwestern, MN 75
Kean 88, Penn College (other) 53
Linfield 81, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 73
MacMurray 78, Marygrove (USCAA) 67
Malone (NAIA 2) 83, Geneva 70
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 85, Finlandia 72
McNeese State (D1) 65, Louisiana College 45
Millsaps 95, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 69
Missouri-Rolla (D2) 73, Blackburn 53
Muskingum 71, Northwestern Ohio (NAIA 2) 52
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 66, Rutgers-Newark 61
North Central, IL 99, Lindenwood (NAIA 2) 89 (OT)
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 89, Pacific 67
Ohio Northern 72, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 67
Olivet 83, Andrews (USCAA) 52
Pacific Lutheran 79, Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2) 77(OT)
Penn State-Delaware County (other) 115, Bard 111
Penn State-Hazleton (other) 70, Marywood 63
Point Park (NAIA 2) 91, Alvernia 83
Rhodes 101, Rhema College, OK (USCAA) 95 (OT)
Scranton 80, Walsh, OH (NAIA 2) 73
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 101, Lynchburg 66
Southwest Minnesota State (D2) 83, Hamline 59
Sul Ross State 70, Texas-Permian Basin (D2) 51
Thiel 80, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 52
Thomas 85, Unity (USCAA) 32
University of New England 87, Fisher (NAIA 2) 41
University of the Pacific (D1) 92, Lewis & Clark 47
UW-River Falls 73, Peru State (NAIA 2) 55
UW-Stout 81, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 63
Webber International (NAIA 2) 69, Birmingham-Southern 57
Wiley (NAIA 1) 92, East Texas Baptist 73
William Penn (NAIA 2) 65, Crown 38
Williamson Trade (USCAA) 57, Delaware Valley 44
Winona State (D2) 118, St. Mary's, MN 53

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 11/18

UC Davis (D1) 71, UC Santa Cruz 49
Oswego State 84, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 66
Shawnee State (NAIA 2) 82, Muskingum 67
Yeshiva 71, Berkeley (other) 40

[Rhodes Scholar]

Totals through 11/18

D3 vs.

D1....0-4
D2....2-7
NAIA 1....2-4
NAIA 2....24-18
NCCAA 1....2-0
NCCAA 2....6-0
USCAA....19-3
Other....8-2

[John Gleich]

UWSP 77  Northern Michigan (D2) 52

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 11/19

Birmingham-Southern 93, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 63
Central 94, Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 53
Emmaus (NCCAA 2) 78, Maranatha Baptist 74
Franklin 82, Webber International (NAIA 2) 57
Maryland Bible (other) 68, Gallaudet 62 (OT)
University of the Ozarks 87, Henderson State (D2) 76
Trinity International (NAIA 2) 100, Lakeland 91 (OT)

[smedindy]

Congrats to BSC for their first win as a D-3 men's hoops school!

[hopefan]

Smed  -  not exactly an upset win though...

[Pat Coleman]

That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule". 

Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.

I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament.  So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament?  What are you getting at Pat?

To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...

To you it may be a sanction, to the FISK athletic department it may be called "free choice"!

The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.

[wilburt]

The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.

Why don't you ask him instead of assuming or wondering? Or is it just something you like to harp upon?   

BTW Pat for what it is worth, D3 FISK beat D2 Lane this past Saturday 61-57 in Nashville! 

[smedindy]

Smed  -  not exactly an upset win though...

You gotta start somewhere!

[Pat Coleman]

The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.

Why don't you ask him instead of assuming or wondering? Or is it just something you like to harp upon?   

BTW Pat for what it is worth, D3 FISK beat D2 Lane this past Saturday 61-57 in Nashville! 

I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.

[wilburt]

I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.

1. Well take my word for it then.  They know.

2. BTW, I take issue with your d3hoops notation regarding FISK.  The notation I am talking about specifically states that "This school does not have a Division III program."  This surprises me coming from someone who prides himself on accuracy (particularly amongst journalists). That statement is either A) a reckless disregard for the truth or B) a boldface lie on your part.  Regardless of which it is, I demand a retraction of that statement. 

3.  Below is the d3hoops link I make reference to:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2008&team=mens&school=Fisk

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 11/20

Allegheny 58, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 57
Bluffton 89, Wright State-Lake (other) 70
Bridgewater, VA 94, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87
Coe 78, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 60
Doane (NAIA 2) 68, Nebraska Wesleyan 65
East Carolina (D1) 88, North Carolina Wesleyan 69
Eckerd (D2) 71, Franklin 66
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 88, Pacific Lutheran 71
Geneva 71, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 63
Grand Valley State (D2) 96, Kalamazoo 50
Grinnell 116, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 104
Holy Names (NAIA 2) 81, Whittier 80
Howard Payne 73, Southwest Assemblies of God (NAIA 1) 60
Louisiana State-Shreveport (NAIA 1) 114, East Texas Baptist 94
Lycoming 87, Penn College (other) 52
Mansfield State (D2) 85, Messiah 63
Marywood 73, Penn State-Scranton (other) 47
McKendree (NAIA 1) 85, Greenville 56
McNeese State (D1) 65, Texas-Tyler 49
Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2) 67, Concordia-Moorhead 55
Montclair State 81, Berkeley (other) 35
New Jersey City 84, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 73
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 97, Illinois Wesleyan 79
Penn State-Abington (other) 68, Rutgers-Camden 51
Portland State (D1) 93, Linfield 50
Puget Sound 97, Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 82
St. Edward's (D2) 88, Concordia-Austin 69
Thiel 88, Penn State-Fayette (other) 65
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 106, Penn State-Harrisburg 97
Winona State (D2) 95, UW-Stout 68
UW-La Crosse 59, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 49

[Pat Coleman]

I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.

1. Well take my word for it then.  They know.

2. BTW, I take issue with your d3hoops notation regarding FISK.  The notation I am talking about specifically states that "This school does not have a Division III program."  This surprises me coming from someone who prides himself on accuracy (particularly amongst journalists). That statement is either A) a reckless disregard for the truth or B) a boldface lie on your part.  Regardless of which it is, I demand a retraction of that statement. 

3.  Below is the d3hoops link I make reference to:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2008&team=mens&school=Fisk

Wilburt -- we choose not to recognize Fisk based on its schedule. That's all there is to say here. Your continued arguments should be made toward Fisk for failing to schedule Division III institutions.