D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[Hugenerd]

Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.  

2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61

I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.

Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.

[Ralph Turner]

Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.  

2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61

I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.

Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.

Don't you love the archive aspects of this board?

[Hugenerd]

Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.  

2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61

I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.

Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.

Don't you love the archive aspects of this board?

Im actually on a crosscountry flight again so I am trying to find all the D3 v. D1 wins from 06-present, by going through all 94 pages of the board.  Hope to update soon.

[Hugenerd]

December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111

December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46

December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76

November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75

December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59

These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.

[Hugenerd]

Mr. Ypsi
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I don't know if anyone has compiled the stats from earlier years (and the stats reported were only from NAIA-2, not NAIA-1), but from the first pages of the d3 vs. everybody thread I found:

2001-02: d3 118, NAIA-2 58
2002-03: d3 92, NAIA-2 60
2003-04: d3 93, NAIA-2 62
2004-05: d3 67, NAIA-2 70 (d3 16, NAIA-1 22)
2005-06: d3 119, NAIA-2 118 (d3 22, NAIA 31)

Two things strike me:

(1) the d3 dominance over NAIA-2 slipped a bit from 2001 thru  (winter)2004, but crashed and burned after that.

(2) why a sudden increase of 100(!) games between 2004-05 and 2005-06?  [My speculation - the record-keeping may have improved dramatically.]

If anyone can fill in the d3 vs NAIA-1 records, or records for either pre-dating 2001, it would be greatly appreciated!  (Though the d3 vs. everybody board would be the more appropriate place to do it.) 

Transferred so it won't be lost...

Thought some might find this interesting.

[magicman]

Games of 12/30, 12/31


San Diego State  (NAIA-D1)  89,  Pomona-Pitzer  54


D3 record vs:
                   W         L            
NCAA D1       0          51
NCAA D2      12         50
NAIA D1        10        24
NAIA D2        99        92            
NCCAA          32        14
USCAA          59        18
Other            39         2

hopefan,
Just a slight correction. You're showing the above game San Diego St. as NAIA-D1 but they are NCAA Division I. Your totals may not have to be changed, as you may have figured them as DI when you did the totals and just typed in the wrong classification when you did the scores.

[smedindy]

December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111

December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46

December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76

November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75

December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59

These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.

If I am not mistaken, Houston Baptist and SIU-E were in reclassifying 'no mans land' those seasons. For the life of me, I can't get why schools like that move to D-1, especially since Houston Baptist left D-1 years ago.

[Ralph Turner]

December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111

December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46

December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76

November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75

December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59

These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.

If I am not mistaken, Houston Baptist and SIU-E were in reclassifying 'no mans land' those seasons. For the life of me, I can't get why schools like that move to D-1, especially since Houston Baptist left D-1 years ago.

Houston Baptist was in "no-man's land" in the NAIA-1 Red River AC.

That conference is extremely diverse in geography, in school mission and vision, and in historical background.

Since HBU left the RRAC, two other schools have left the RRAC for D-II, UT-Permian Basin and Texas A&M International

[hopefan]

Thanks Magic, spelling error had wrong Division pulled down, but all else was ok....

[Hugenerd]

The complete list (I believe) of D3 wins over D1 since the 1998-1999 season:

November 24, 1998
McMurray 80 - UT Arlington 76

November 19, 2000
Catholic 59- Albany 56

November 25, 2000
Augustana 76 - Western Illinois 71

December 18, 2000
Wartburg 72 - Central Florida 61

December 29, 2001
Macalester 90 - Yale 82

November 25, 2002
Fisk 69 - Tennessee State 65

December 4, 2002
Johns Hopkins 66 - Navy 61

December 20, 2002
Mary Washington 60 - VMI 56

December 4, 2003
Williams 78 - Holy Cross 71

December 4, 2003
Fisk 65- Tennessee State 63

November 30, 2004
Hampden Sydney 73 - Longwood 67

December 19, 2004
Gettysberg 75 - Navy 69

December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound 115 -  UC Riverside 111

December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51 - Princeton 46

December 30, 2006
Texas Dallas 78 - UT Arlington 76

November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78 - Houston Baptist 75

December 4, 2008
Millikin 70 - SIU Edwardsville 59

[smedindy]

Wow. Those weren't exactly the cream of the D-1 crop. I remember those Tennessee State teams were just abysmal.

The big shocker was the win by Williams against Holy Cross. Yes, they were down but the year before they were 26-5.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64.  Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.

Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State.  Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!).  (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)

[Gregory Sager]

Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64.  Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.

Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State.  Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!).  (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)

North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.

[John Gleich]

Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64.  Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.

Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State.  Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!).  (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)

North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.

Didn't Holy Cross go in 2003 when Williams beat them, or was it the next year (or previous year) that they went?  I remember they were really close to upsetting Kansas in a 15/2 or 16/1 game.

[Hugenerd]

Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64.  Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.

Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State.  Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!).  (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)

North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.

Didn't Holy Cross go in 2003 when Williams beat them, or was it the next year (or previous year) that they went?  I remember they were really close to upsetting Kansas in a 15/2 or 16/1 game.

They didnt make it that year, they were a 14 seed they year before and played Marquette in the first round, losing by 4.