D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[David Collinge]

Point, coached by James Kilpatrick will face Counter-Point next, helmed by Shana Alexander.

/showing my age

Most readers may be too young for the old 60 Minutes segment, but nobody is ever too old for Airplane!

[stag44]

Great run by Claremont-Mudd-Scripps over the last week, going 3-0 vs NAIA-D1 schools all from the GSAC (The Masters, San Diego Christian, and Point Loma)

[smedindy]

Do The Masters wear green uniforms with some sort of insignia patch? And do their announcers speak in earnest whispers and have correspondents cover the various places on the court? "Let's move to Verne Lundquist on the home free throw line." "Johnson with a free throw, to go up one...and it's.....GOOD! It's IN the hole!"

[hopefan]

outstanding  smed.....

[Hampton U SID]

Can throw a couple more USCAA ones at you guys
Virginia University Lynchburg
Cooper Union

I enjoy perusing to see how the USCAA teams fare with D3 (yeah normally not well, but worth some looking) and saw those listed as others.

If you need a list of the USCAA members - message me and I can provide a list of schools.

[Hampton U SID]

Rochester (Mich) is a dual member -- first year NAIA and charter USCAA member. 

[hopefan]

Can throw a couple more USCAA ones at you guys
Virginia University Lynchburg
Cooper Union

I enjoy perusing to see how the USCAA teams fare with D3 (yeah normally not well, but worth some looking) and saw those listed as others.

If you need a list of the USCAA members - message me and I can provide a list of schools.

thanks nnasid... I've changed Cooper Union and VU Lynchburg  to USCAA and new W/L will reflect that

[hopefan]

games of 12/11, 12/12

George Fox  79,  Portland Bible  (NCCAA)  71
Elon  (NCAA-D1)  109,  Lynchburg  67
Lehigh  (NCAA-D1)  95,  Arcadia  55
New Jersey Tech  (NCAA-D1)  78,  St. Joseph's (Bklyn.)  50


D3 record vs:

            W   L
NCAA-D1   0   24
NCAA-D2   5   25
NAIA-D1   6   24
NAIA-D2   58   56
NCCAA   26   8
USCAA   71   25
Other   39   5

For anyone following the nearly even matchup of D3 with NAIA D2, there are approximately 50 scheduled games remaining between the 2, with a handful of others to be played in Holiday tourneys....   one disadvantage for D3 is that D3 Nebraska Wesleyan will be playing a full conference schedule amongst those games.. tough league, Nebraska Wesleyan will be an underdog im many of those games....

[KnightSlappy]

Tough that Nebraska Wesleyan plays as the only non-scholarship team in a scholarship league. Anyone know why they continually choose to be the only D3 around?

[hopefan]

Slaps... I'm not certain, but likely it's the geography, and perhaps a bit of loyalty to their conference and rivalries...  the Sliac wouldn't be practical, probably some long trips too with the Iowa and Minnesota conferences, or the MWC....Perhaps Sager or one of the other 'vets' can chime in...

I've seen Nebraska Wesleyan play in St Louis, and it's a team anyone would want in their conference... solid kids, good basketball, active coaches, and a fan base of 30 or 40 that came all the way down to St Louis....

[smedindy]

They are truly an island. I thought there was some rumblings about a few others in that league jumping to D-3 but I've heard nothing else.

I know I've heard that those schools don't think they can compete for student-athletes without offering scholarships.

But IMHO, in the words of Col. Potter

HORSEHOCKEY!

If your product is good enough, you don't need the athletics scholarships at that level.

/RIP, Harry Morgan

[Ralph Turner]

Do The Masters wear green uniforms with some sort of insignia patch? And do their announcers speak in earnest whispers and have correspondents cover the various places on the court? "Let's move to Verne Lundquist on the home free throw line." "Johnson with a free throw, to go up one...and it's.....GOOD! It's IN the hole!"

Well then, are the places beyond the 3-point arc considered "the first cut"?

[Gregory Sager]

Tough that Nebraska Wesleyan plays as the only non-scholarship team in a scholarship league. Anyone know why they continually choose to be the only D3 around?

Probably a part of it is tradition. NebWes has been a D3 school since the advent of the division back in the mid-Seventies, and it was highly successful in men's basketball as an independent for many years, first under Jerry Schmutte and then under his acolyte, Todd Raridon, who is now the head coach at North Central (IL). The Prairie Wolves (who were then called the Plainsmen) went to the D3 Final Four in '85, '86, '88, and '97.

I think that the other part of it is probably a recruiting cachet thing. Deserved or not, NCAA D3 schools have a better academic reputation than NAIA schools, probably because: a) some of the most esteemed institutions of higher learning in the U.S. are D3 schools, which is something that the NAIA can't claim; and b) the no-scholarships rule connotes an ethos of purity and integrity for D3 that the NAIA just doesn't have, even though the fine print concerning financial aid frequently wipes out the differences between schools from the two divisions.

(Actually, if you really want to get the reasons directly from the horse's mouth, ask CCIW Chat regular AndOne. He's an NWU alumnus and a former Plainsman basketball player. He may have access to reasons that are more specific than the ones I offer here.)

The success of the school's teams over the years indicates that the lack of scholarships need not be an impediment for NebWes. Last year NWU finished second in the all-sports standings of the twelve-school Great Plains Athletic Conference. NWU has won the all-sports title of the GPAC five times in the last eleven years, and it's never finished lower than fourth.

NebWes is a dual member of D3 and the NAIA. Every autumn I wonder if this'll be the year that NWU knuckles under and joins its Great Plains Athletic Conference peers by declaring for the NAIA tourney rather than the D3 tourney, but it never happens.

[hopefan]

Games of 12/13

Ashford  (NAIA-D2)  78,  Cornell  68
UT-Chattanooga  (NCAA-D1)  98,  Spalding  48


     W   L
NCAA-D1   0   25
NCAA-D2   5   25
NAIA-D1   6   24
NAIA-D2   58   57
NCCAA   26   8
USCAA   71   25
Other   39   5

[hopefan]

Games of 12/14

Eureka  96,  Robert Morris-Springfield  (USCAA)  90
Averett  (80)  Virginia-Lynchburg,  USCAA  67
West Georgia  (NCAA-D2)  91,  Berry  55
Rice  (NCAA-D1)  109,  Louisiana College  51
Ohio University  (NCAA-D1)  88,  Marietta  54
Viterbo  (NAIA-D2)  62,  St. Mary's (Minn.)  58
UC Riverside  (NCAA-D1)  91,  UC Santa Cruz  60


Win-loss

            W   L
NCAA-D1   0   28
NCAA-D2   5   26
NAIA-D1   6   24
NAIA-D2   58   58
NCCAA   26   8
USCAA   73   25
Other   39   5