D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[Gregory Sager]

I left the Albertus and Elmhurst games on there because those d1 teams are good enough to look past a d3 school and the d3 schools are just good enough to make them pay for doing so.

Most d1 v d3 games are forgone conclusions, even if one school plays their worst game and the other their best.  It's those games in the middle, where the overlap exists that you find potential winners.

You rarely, if ever, see a low d1 schedule a high d3 anymore - not after Williams over Holy Cross.  It's all about figuring out who's capable of winning on the other team's off night.  I think both Albertus and Elmhurst can do it.

Elmhurst doesn't have a prayer of winning that game, HF.

[magicman]

Buffalo State got an early start to the season Friday night as they visited Division I Niagara University for an exhibition game against the Purple Eagles. Buff State lost 96-71 but putting up 71 points against a DI team is a decent effort. The Bengals kept it close in the early going and actually had a 10-8 lead, but Niagara went on an 11-0 run to open up a 9 point lead at 19-10. Bengals got within 5 points at 23-18 but the Purple Eagles slowly pulled away and ended the half up 49-29. Niagara continued to build their lead at the start of the 2nd period and were up 55-31 with 17:42 left to play. The Bengals mounted a charge however and outscored Niagara 16-0 over the next 3 minutes led by Rod Epps, Jordan Glover and Justin Mitchell. When Buff State started their run all 5 starters for Niagara were in the game. The Purple Eagles basically used an 8 man rotation while the Bengals had 10 different players average double digit minutes. Eventually the superior height advantage of Niagara proved to be too much for the Bengals to overcome and the lead once again grew to double figures. Over the final 10 minutes Niagara pulled away to post the final margin of victory. That 16-0 run by the Bengals though, must have had the Bengal faithful on their feet. Hard to outscore any D1 team 16-0 at any point in a game, even against their end of the bench players, much less their starters.

[7express]

I'm actually going to see Central Connecticut play tomorrow.  I still don't think Albertus can beat them, but if Kyle Vanelis is hurt/sick for that game, who knows AMC may actually win that game.

[y_jack_lok]

A question for the pro(s) managing this topic. Nebraska Wesleyan has dual membership in the NAIA and NCAA. But looking at their schedule this season there seem to be very few games vs NCAA D3 teams. Simpson is the one team on their schedule that I'm certain is D3. So will Neb Wes be included in the "vs NAIA" in that game with Simpson and any other D3 schools on their schedule?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Neb. Wesleyan always has to declare if they are D3 or not and apply for the waiver to complete in the NCAA tournament. They have not declared for D3 in a long time - though they are still a D3 program and institution in the eyes of the NCAA. Remember, they have a D3 national title in the rafters.

[Gregory Sager]

NebWes has declared for the NAIA tourney for the past several years rather than the NCAA tourney (you have to make such declarations in the preseason), so, for all intents and purposes, the Prairie Wolves are currently an NAIA team.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Believe it or not - those decisions have to be made in MAY ... six months prior!

[Gregory Sager]

Neb. Wesleyan always has to declare if they are D3 or not and apply for the waiver to complete in the NCAA tournament. They have not declared for D3 in a long time - though they are still a D3 program and institution in the eyes of the NCAA. Remember, they have a D3 national title in the rafters.

If they do, it's not for men's basketball. NebWes has been to the D3 men's Final Four four times, but it's never brought home the Big Doorstop.

Believe it or not - those decisions have to be made in MAY ... six months prior!

"Preseason" is a relative term.

[hopefan]

As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations...  Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.

In the case of Provisional and Exploratory teams:
Iowa Wesleyan, Centenary, and Houghton will be considered NCAA D3 teams as they play full D3 conference schedules...
Alfred State, Penn College, Bryn Athyn, Illinois Tech, Sarah Lawrence, SUNY-Canton, and Valley Forge Christian will not be considered NCAA-D3, as most play less than half their games vs NCAA-D3.  Alfred State will be over half depending on Tourney matchups, but I left them off the NCAA list as they were borderline....

[y_jack_lok]

As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations...  Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.

So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?

[hickory_cornhusker]

NebWes has declared for the NAIA tourney for the past several years rather than the NCAA tourney (you have to make such declarations in the preseason), so, for all intents and purposes, the Prairie Wolves are currently an NAIA team.

Even though they do not declare for the D3 Tourney in basketball they do compete for the D3 title in track and in fact host this years D3 Indoor Championships.

[hopefan]

As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations...  Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.

So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?

That's correct....

also, in keeping with that mindset there will be a separate 'non-D3' catagory for NCAAD3 provisional and exploratory for the schools I mentioned....

[y_jack_lok]

As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations...  Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.

So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?

That's correct....

also, in keeping with that mindset there will be a separate 'non-D3' catagory for NCAAD3 provisional and exploratory for the schools I mentioned....

Awesome! You are the man!

[magicman]

hopefan,

Here's another D3 vs D1 that wasn't on your list.

December 30th Lyndon State will travel to the University of Vermont to take on the Catamounts.

[hopefan]

Thanks Magic... that must have been a late one.. I didn't have it....