D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[hopefan]

Games of 1/21


Texas-Tyler  82,  Arlington Baptist  (NCCAA-D2)  67
Maine-Presque Isle  70,  Maine-Machias  (USCAA)  66

[hopefan]

Games of 1/23

Maine-Presque Isle  72,  Southern Maine CC  (Other)  64
Alfred State  98,  Davis  (Other)  62
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 99, Massachusetts College 85

[hopefan]

Games of 1/24

Maine-Presque Isle  78,  Maine-Augusta  (USCAA)  54
SUNY-Canton  80,  SUNY-Delhi  (USCAA)  51
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 100, Bryn Athyn 44

[hopefan]

Games of 1/25


University of the Ozarks  94,  Dallas Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  78
University of Dallas  76,  Southwestern Adventist  (Other)  74

[Gregory Sager]

When you get a chance, hopefan, can you update the D3-vs.-everybody-else standings?

(Please don't do this on your smartphone while you're driving from one remote SLIAC gym to another. )

[hopefan]

When you get a chance, hopefan, can you update the D3-vs.-everybody-else standings?

(Please don't do this on your smartphone while you're driving from one remote SLIAC gym to another. )

Will get to it tomorrow.... Before I take off for Greenville...

[hopefan]

Games of 1/26

Lancaster Bible  100,  Valley Forge  (Ind-D3 Provisional)  75
Green Mountain  95,  Albany Pharmacy  (Other)  74
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 86, Martin Luther 55
Piedmont  93,  Toccoa Falls  (NCCAA-D2)  91


YTD D3 vs :

                                 W         L      
NCAA-D1                  1          55      
NCAA-D2                   5          32      
NAIA-D1                    9          14      
NAIA-D2                    36          52      
NCCAA-D1                15          1      
NCCAA-D2                44          4      
USCAA                      58          16      
Other                         28          4      
IND-D3 Provisional     37          7      


D3 vs D3 Non Conference.....  remember, I include the 4 Independent D3 provisionals as non D3 so as not to skew the results here

1   NESCAC      95   34   0.736
2   UAA      59   25   0.702
3   MIAC      35   17   0.673
4   NCAC      40   20   0.667
5   CCIW      55   30   0.647
6   Landmark      43   25   0.632
7   NWC      36   21   0.632
8   SUNY      41   24   0.631
9   USAC      54   35   0.607
10   OAC      38   25   0.603
11   ODAC      59   40   0.596
12   WIAC      46   32   0.590
13   CAC      38   28   0.576
14   Newmac      46   34   0.575
15   SCAC      43   33   0.566
16   LEC      46   36   0.561
17   MACF      43   35   0.551
18   NACC      26   22   0.542
19   MIAA      36   31   0.537
20   MACC      41   36   0.532
21   NJAC      34   30   0.531
22   IIAC      35   32   0.522
23   CC      34   33   0.507
24   E8      37   39   0.487
25   MWC      22   24   0.478
26   SCIAC      22   24   0.478
27   ASC      47   54   0.465
28   CCC      31   37   0.456
29   CUNY      34   41   0.453
30   LL      33   40   0.452
31   Mascac      36   48   0.429
32   GNAC      27   37   0.422
33   Independents      34   55   0.382
34   SAA      30   51   0.370
35   AMCC      19   38   0.333
36   HCAC      18   38   0.321
37   UMAC      18   38   0.321
38   NECC      22   47   0.319
39   NAC      20   43   0.317
40   Sky      14   34   0.292
41   CSAC      17   43   0.283
42   PrAC      16   45   0.262
43   SLIAC      11   36   0.234
44   NEAC      16   57   0.219

[John Gleich]

                                 W         L      
NCAA-D1                  1          55      
NCAA-D2                   5          32      

Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?

It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.

[Ralph Turner]

                                 W         L      
NCAA-D1                  1          55      
NCAA-D2                   5          32      

Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?

It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.

I think that a D-1 match is more likely to be a "money game".

[John Gleich]

                                 W         L      
NCAA-D1                  1          55      
NCAA-D2                   5          32      

Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?

It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.

I think that a D-1 match is more likely to be a "money game".

So, that explains why it might be more attractive to a D-III team. But it would also be more attractive to a D-II team as well. And, seemingly, the competition would be "better" (on average, from the D-I perspective) when playing a D-II team rather than a D-III team.

Maybe the D-I's are just looking for W's... but do those W's come at a cost? Perhaps they don't properly prepare for the remainder of a D-I schedule?

[sac]

question for hopefan, D1 related.  Are you counting those 1/2 real game, 1/2 exhibition games against the D1's such as Alma at Central Michigan?



I think something changed in the D1 formula where games out of division don't hurt them as much as they used to.  Consequently they are more willing to play D2 and D3 opponents. 

[hopefan]

The games that are counted against D1 are those that count in the D3 teams record, that are a part of their 25 allowable games.   I check on the D3 teams schedules to see if they are listed as exhibitions.. (Exhibitions are now allowed in season - opening night and beyond - necessitating the check)... Exhibitions are not a part of teams' records, either in my listings, or in D3hoops.com... D3hoops has done a good job in maintaining that identity and proper records....

[sac]

NAIA-D2                    36          52   

Historically this has been a really close match-up, but in recent years NAIA II is getting a greater and greater upper hand.  I have to believe the schedule focus on D3 schools is forcing many of the stronger D3's to forego their NAIA games, thus the D3 v NAIA II record is swinging into the NAIA II's favor.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

question for hopefan, D1 related.  Are you counting those 1/2 real game, 1/2 exhibition games against the D1's such as Alma at Central Michigan?



I think something changed in the D1 formula where games out of division don't hurt them as much as they used to.  Consequently they are more willing to play D2 and D3 opponents.

What has changed is actually on the Division III side... it used to be that you had to play a non-counting game against a D1 (or any team) prior to the start of the season (Nov. 15 normally; Nov. 13 this year). However, there was confusion in how it was written and some schools were playing games after Nov. 15.

Long story short, they cleared it up and said ANY game against D1 or other division team can count as an exhibition/scrimmage/etc. game any time of the season (pre-season through end of season) as long as you don't go over your allotment of those games allowed. You can also count the game if you want, but that falls inside the 25-game limit.

Several schools this year have taken advantage of that "any time" rule like Roanoke who won against D1 NCA&T earlier this year. It counted as a real game for the D1 team, but it was an exhibition for Roanoke - anther wrinkle in all of this: can count for D1 but can be an exhibition for D3.

Side note for comparison. When you take into account all of the exceptions and such to the schedules, basketball teams can end up playing 40 games total in a year if they take advantage of everything. They are the extreme height in NCAA Division III. The extreme low is field hockey where they could only play a max of four more than their schedule, meaning 24 total. THAT has become a major talking point when it comes to schedules and such - exceptions and allotments outside of the regular season.

[sac]

I'm aware of the D3 change Dave, but on the D1 side you were massacred in the tournament selections if you played even 1 game out of division. That isn't happening anymore.  Consequently D1's are more willing to step outside their division.