D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[ronk]

We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).

Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.

See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:

pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record

after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record

[smedindy]

The school I work for (Central Washington) is a D2 squad and played Washington State last night. Counted for them. Exhibition for CWU.

[hopefan]

We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).

Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.

See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:

pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record

after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record

Nope, wrong
If it's Nov 14 or earlier,  it's definitely an exhibition game for D3 (this year's calendar) and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions

If it is Nov. 15 or later, AND is designated as an exhibition game for the D3 team, the same holds... it's an exhibition game for D3 and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions.  The confusion lies in that some of these Nov. 15 or later exhibition games games show in the D3scoreboard and create the misconception that they are countable games.  D3hoops gives the score in the scoreboard for the reader's information without showing it is an exhibition, but that score does not transfer over to the D3team's schedule and record as shown on D3hoops. 

[ronk]

We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).

Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.

See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:

pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record

after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record

Nope, wrong
If it's Nov 14 or earlier,  it's definitely an exhibition game for D3 (this year's calendar) and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions

If it is Nov. 15 or later, AND is designated as an exhibition game for the D3 team, the same holds... it's an exhibition game for D3 and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions.  The confusion lies in that some of these Nov. 15 or later exhibition games games show in the D3scoreboard and create the misconception that they are countable games.  D3hoops gives the score in the scoreboard for the reader's information without showing it is an exhibition, but that score does not transfer over to the D3team's schedule and record as shown on D3hoops.

Sorry, but I don't see your difference from my depiction.

[hopefan]

your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....

[hopefan]

Games of Nov. 16:

Viterbo (NAIA-D2)  78 , Edgewood  66 
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA)  99 , Penn College  113 
Pacific Lutheran  93,  Multnomah  (NAIA-D2)  91
Randolph   72 ,  Christendom  (USCAA)   40 
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA)  78 , Grove City  57 
Biola (NAIA-D1)  74 , Pomona-Pitzer  50 



D3 versus      
         W   L
NCAA-D1   0   4
NCAA-D2   1   1
NAIA-D1   0   1
NAIA-D2   4   2
NCCAA-D1   0   0
NCCAA-D2   3   0
USCAA   5   3
Other   1   1

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like.  The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).

[ronk]

your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....

But not in regional rankings and/or Pool C deliberations; isn't it as if it didn't take place for those considerations?

[hopefan]

your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....

But not in regional rankings and/or Pool C deliberations; isn't it as if it didn't take place for those considerations?

If it's a real game against anyone but a D3 team, you are correct!!!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like.  The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).

Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.

[ronk]

It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like.  The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).

Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.

Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like.  The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).

Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.

Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.

It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear.  They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game.  There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.

[hopefan]

It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like.  The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).

Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.

Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.

It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear.  They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game.  There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.

Fontbonne at Missouri State is listed today... and is an exhibition...

[sac]

Olivet plays an exhibition at D1 IPFW on Jan 9, real game for the Mastadons

Olivet also plays an exhibition with D2 Saginaw Valley State on Nov. 28

Olivet declared both games as exhibition basically because two different coaches couldn't count when they set up the schedule for this year.

[ronk]

ST. Mary's(MD) @ Maryland tonight