D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[Baldini]

Just a few notes of information.

On the 11/14 games you have listed West Coast Baptist as a NCCAA-2 but they are NCCAA-1. I have a link here to a list of NCCAA-1 schools, but if you use it to audit your list be aware that most of these schools are D-2, D-3 or NAIA that use the NCCAA as a fallback to post season play if their original post season plans come up short with the NCAA or NAIA.

https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB_0606121522.aspx

On the Martin Luther-Oak Hills Christian game from 11/15 you have the score reversed, Martin Luther won the game 104-37. Oak Hills Christian is a school I check on every year from time to time just because I am amazed they are still going. They are currently 0-9 and have played the whole season with 5 players. I watch a little of their first game against NAIA Northwestern (Iowa) and after the first 5 minutes I could watch no more, in fear of foul trouble I would guess they played no defense and it was a layup drill for Northwestern. Northwestern won the game 144-44. I watch a few minutes of the Martin Luther game and a Oak Hills Christian player picked up his 4th foul with about 9 minutes to play and I was mostly interested to see if they would need to play with four before the night was through, but the complete five lasted until the buzzer sounded.

You commented on Johnson (Tenn.), but they were pretty good last year. They made it to the NCCAA-2 Championship semi-finals last season before losing to eventual champion Grace Christian. They came back and won the 3rd place game against D-3 Maranatha Baptist 101-86. They already have wins against Birmingham Southern and your mentioned Maryville. They have played a good schedule the past 3 seasons and have been competitive with most of the D-3 and NAIA schools they have played.

Interesting you noted Viterbo and I thought they were going to be good last season, but it just never did happen for them. Sometimes it takes a little extra time for the talent to come together as a team I guess.       

[Baldini]

I attended a NAIA women's game last night and had a good conversation with the host AD. One piece of information I gathered that I was not aware of is that the NAIA is going to one division in all sports next year. Basketball is the last sport for them to do that, but will be across the board next season. Not relevant at this moment, but something to keep in mind for next season when compiling your data. Appreciate all your hard work you do here.

Does that mean that there will be one set of guidleines for athletic scholarship distribution?

Just a general knowledge question...

That is what I took from the conversion. He felt they would probably struggle for a few year because of the players already in the pipeline for the NAIA-1 schools, but in time the playing field would be level. It will be interesting to me to see how balanced the basketball playoffs will be next season or do the division 1's just dominate the tournament.     

[hopefan]

Just a few notes of information.

On the 11/14 games you have listed West Coast Baptist as a NCCAA-2 but they are NCCAA-1. I have a link here to a list of NCCAA-1 schools, but if you use it to audit your list be aware that most of these schools are D-2, D-3 or NAIA that use the NCCAA as a fallback to post season play if their original post season plans come up short with the NCAA or NAIA.

https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB_0606121522.aspx

On the Martin Luther-Oak Hills Christian game from 11/15 you have the score reversed, Martin Luther won the game 104-37. Oak Hills Christian is a school I check on every year from time to time just because I am amazed they are still going. They are currently 0-9 and have played the whole season with 5 players. I watch a little of their first game against NAIA Northwestern (Iowa) and after the first 5 minutes I could watch no more, in fear of foul trouble I would guess they played no defense and it was a layup drill for Northwestern. Northwestern won the game 144-44. I watch a few minutes of the Martin Luther game and a Oak Hills Christian player picked up his 4th foul with about 9 minutes to play and I was mostly interested to see if they would need to play with four before the night was through, but the complete five lasted until the buzzer sounded.

You commented on Johnson (Tenn.), but they were pretty good last year. They made it to the NCCAA-2 Championship semi-finals last season before losing to eventual champion Grace Christian. They came back and won the 3rd place game against D-3 Maranatha Baptist 101-86. They already have wins against Birmingham Southern and your mentioned Maryville. They have played a good schedule the past 3 seasons and have been competitive with most of the D-3 and NAIA schools they have played.

Interesting you noted Viterbo and I thought they were going to be good last season, but it just never did happen for them. Sometimes it takes a little extra time for the talent to come together as a team I guess.     

Corrections to two games made... again, thanks very much for making me aware... tidbits that you throw out about the non-D3 teams are extremely interesting to me...
Poor Oak Hills Christian....

[hopefan]

Game of 11/18/19

Virginia Wesleyan  102,  Mid-Atlantic Christian  (USCAA)  62

[hopefan]

Games of 11/19/19

Johnson and Wales  70,  Fisher  (NAIA-D2)  67
Hanover  115,  Boyce  (NCCAA-D2)  53
Goucher  76,  Christendom  (USCAA)  55
SUNY-Canton  88,  Paul Smiths  (USCAA)  74
Linfield  95,  Evergreen State  (NAIA-D2)  82
St. Thomas (Tx.)  99,  Arlington Baptist  (NCCAA-D2)  71
University of Dallas  89,  Southwestern Adventist  (Other)  45
Manhattanville  92,  Pratt  (USCAA)  68
Principia  87,  Lincoln Christian  (NAIA-D2)  81
Albany (NCAA-D1) 78, SUNY Potsdam 52
Minnesota-Morris  90,  Presentation  (NAIA-D2)  68
Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 80, Brevard 78

[Baldini]

'Other' is probably a good description for Southwestern Adventist with the handful of small associations out there and the list of your breakdown would get a little long and confusing to list them all, but Southwestern Adventist is affiliated with the ACCA. Guessing that you may well already knew that though. Just a FYI link if you were interested.

https://www.accasports.org/members/

[hopefan]

Games of 11/20/19

Valley Forge  118,  Bryant and Stratton Syracuse  (USCAA)  103         
Maine Maritime  81,  Maine-Machias  (USCAA)  58         
Maine-Presque Isle  NA 105,  Unity  (USCAA)  NA 50      
Chatham  82,  Carlow  (USCAA)  74         
Northland  127,  Oak Hills Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  46         

[Baldini]

I hope you do not think I am a pain in the *ss, but I'm just trying to provide helpful information.

Maine-Presque Isle defeated Unity 105-50.

Carlow is a NAIA-2 school that is also a member of the USCAA. The USCAA also has two divisions, but listing them together is probably the right thing to do.

www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&conference=NAIMBB2_KIAC&team=19212
   

[hopefan]

I hope you do not think I am a pain in the *ss, but I'm just trying to provide helpful information.

Maine-Presque Isle defeated Unity 105-50.

Carlow is a NAIA-2 school that is also a member of the USCAA. The USCAA also has two divisions, but listing them together is probably the right thing to do.

www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&conference=NAIMBB2_KIAC&team=19212

Absolutely not.. as I said, updates and corrections are appreciated....

[hopefan]

GAMES OF 11/21/19



Hartford (NCAA-D1) 78, Emerson 63
Occidental  88,  West Coast Baptist  (NCCAA-D1)  63
Biola (NAIA-D1) 66, Pomona-Pitzer 62

[hopefan]

Games of 11/22/19

Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon  92,  Bob Jones  (NCCAA-D2)  89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance  82,  Akron-Wayne  (Other)  73
McDaniel  73,  Christendom  (USCAA)  38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2 NCAA-D1) 110, Lesley 16            YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59

[Caz Bombers]

Games of 11/22/19

Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon  92,  Bob Jones  (NCCAA-D2)  89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance  82,  Akron-Wayne  (Other)  73
McDaniel  73,  Christendom  (USCAA)  38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2) 110, Lesley 16            YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59

Merrimack is D1 now

[hopefan]

Games of 11/22/19

Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon  92,  Bob Jones  (NCCAA-D2)  89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance  82,  Akron-Wayne  (Other)  73
McDaniel  73,  Christendom  (USCAA)  38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2) 110, Lesley 16            YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59

Merrimack is D1 now

Thanks Caz.... change made

[hopefan]

Games of 11/23/19

Vermont Tech (USCAA) 83, NVU-Johnson 75
LaGrange  85,  Bob Jones  (NCCAA-D2)  72
North Park  75,  Moody Bible  (NCCAA-D2)  46
Fontbonne  82,  Lincoln Christian  (NAIA-D2)  61
Pacific Lutheran  94,  Warner Pacific  (NAIA-D2)  86
Defiance  83,  Kent St.-Tuscarawas  (uscaa)  82
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 75, Johnson and Wales 57
Grinnell  116,  Great Lakes Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  90
NVU-Lyndon  87,  Pratt  (USCAA)  83
Pomona-Pitzer  116,  cal Miramar  (Other)  78
North Central (Minn.)  145,  Emmaus  (NCCAA-D2)  53
Berea  89,  Johnson (Tenn.)  (NCCAA-D2)  81
Greensboro  89,  Regent  (NCCAA-D1)  69
Piedmont  85,  Toccoa Falls  (NCCAA-D2)  59

[hopefan]

Baldini or D3hoops staff

Pomona Pitzer beat Cal Miramar last night...  Cal Miramar has always been in my data base as "other" affiliation, because they did not appear on the normal non d3 groups (NAIA, NCAA D2, D1, USCAA, or NCCAA)... I was curious and looked them up... seems they are a member of the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference.

"The Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC) is an intercollegiate athletic conference governed by the California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA).  We are comprised of nine community colleges including, Cuyamaca, Grossmont, Imperial Valley, MiraCosta, Miramar, Palomar, San Diego City, San Diego Mesa, and Southwestern, all of which offer a wide variety of athletic competition."

On the other hand, the School's site lists a Bachelor's Degree program in Business, and makes the comment "Our teams play under the rules and regulations of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA) and the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC)"
But again, a check of the USCAA site does not show Cal Miramar as a member....

Confusing to me... does Miramar have 4 year players playing in a Community College Conference, or am I getting two different schools/programs mixed up?   If it is a true Community College program, should D3 teams be counting games against them in their record?   Little mysteries in college hoops I love to see solved... any clarification by you detectives out there would be appreciated!!