D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[Gregory Sager]

Games against two-year schools are not regarded as varsity games by D3, although they do count towards the allotment as scrimmages for eligibility and schedule purposes.

[hopefan]

Through 11/24/19

D3 vs :
                                 W         L      
NCAA-D1                   0          4      
NCAA-D2                   1          5      
NAIA-D1                     1          4      
NAIA-D2                     13          7      
NCCAA-D1                   4          0      
NCCAA-D2                   21          8      
USCAA                        38          5      
Other                           3          0      

[hopefan]

Games of 11/25/19



Maine-Presque Isle  84,  Maine-Machias  (USCAA)  66
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 68, Aurora 65
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 71, St. Vincent 61

[hopefan]

Games of 11/26/19


Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 101, McMurry 88
Adrian  86,  Siena Heights  (NAIA-D2)  85
SUNY-Cobleskill  96,  Bryant and Stratton Syracuse  (USCAA)  73
Linfield  84,  Warner Pacific  (NAIA-D2)  73
Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 76, Pacific Lutheran 71
Chatham  76,  Penn St.-Greater Allegheny  (USCAA)  70
Birmingham-Southern  130,  Pensacola Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  98
St. Thomas (Tx.)  116,  Dallas Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  70
Colorado College  NA,  Metro State  (NCAA-D2)  NA
Occidental  71,  Bethesda  (NCCAA-D1)  69
Blackburn  82,  St. Louis Pharmacy  (NAIA-D1)  75
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 85, Minnesota-Morris 67
Concordia-St. Paul (NCAA-D2) 82, Northland 61
Berea  86,  Boyce  (NCCAA-D2)  56
High Point (NCAA-D1) 90, Greensboro 73

[Baldini]

Baldini or D3hoops staff

Pomona Pitzer beat Cal Miramar last night...  Cal Miramar has always been in my data base as "other" affiliation, because they did not appear on the normal non d3 groups (NAIA, NCAA D2, D1, USCAA, or NCCAA)... I was curious and looked them up... seems they are a member of the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference.

"The Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC) is an intercollegiate athletic conference governed by the California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA).  We are comprised of nine community colleges including, Cuyamaca, Grossmont, Imperial Valley, MiraCosta, Miramar, Palomar, San Diego City, San Diego Mesa, and Southwestern, all of which offer a wide variety of athletic competition."

On the other hand, the School's site lists a Bachelor's Degree program in Business, and makes the comment "Our teams play under the rules and regulations of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA) and the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC)"
But again, a check of the USCAA site does not show Cal Miramar as a member....

Confusing to me... does Miramar have 4 year players playing in a Community College Conference, or am I getting two different schools/programs mixed up?   If it is a true Community College program, should D3 teams be counting games against them in their record?   Little mysteries in college hoops I love to see solved... any clarification by you detectives out there would be appreciated!!

Well that is truly a rogue program and 'other' is without a doubt the correct label for them, IMO. In each sport they play in some underground tournaments, but are not affiliated with anyone that I can find.

The Miramar that you note in the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference as a Community College is not the same school that played Pomona-Pitzer. Their roster is not the one in the box score of the game. Also that team is the Jets and the Cal Miramar that played Pomona-Pitzer were the Fighting Falcons. The Cal Miramar Fighting Falcons play a mix of D-2, D-3, JC's, NAIA and NCCAA schools and anyone else they can schedule without paying dues to any of them it appears. Interesting that the Fighting Falcons seem to have a good baseball program.

[jeffconn]

The USCAA pretty much takes whoever shows an interest. It includes community colleges, such as Southern Maine CC and Central Maine CC, and schools that don't offer traditional associate's or bachelor's degrees, such as Williamson College of the Trades, and the Apprentice School.

FYI, apparently for decades, the Apprentice School's football program was counted as a D3 opponent for ranking purposes. The Builders were part of the D3 Atlantic Central Football Conference from 2001 to 2010 even though the Apprentice School were never a member of the NCAA.

[hopefan]

Here are the schools I currently have on my Master List, listed as "other",  that at some time in the last 10-15 years have played a D3 school... there may be a few more that have been randomly removed and replaced with an addition to the list who more recently played a D3 school

Might be interesting if anyone is familiar with a particular school to let us know some relevant facts... and of course if it is misplaced and should be NAIA, USCAA, or NCCAA, or even NCAA-D2, let me know and I'll correct

Akron-Wayne
Associated Free Lutheran
Barber Scotia
Barclay
Bay cc
Bay College
Bethany (Cal.)
Bryant and Stratton (Wisc.)
Cal Miramar
Carolina Christian
Central Maine CC
Champion Baptist
Cheyney
Concordia St. Louis
Cooper Union
Culinary Institute
Dayspring Bible
East-West
Fairhaven Baptist
Free Will Baptist
Gogebic CC
John Abbott
Landmark
Miami-Hamilton
Rhode Island Design
Northwest Indian College
Oglala Lakota
Ohio State Marion
Ohio University Eastern
Ohio University-Chillicothe
OSU Lima
OSU Mansfield
Rhema Bible
Selma
Shawnee Baptist
Southwestern Adventist
St. Katherine
St. Louis Christian
Thaddeus Stevens
The New School
Touro
Westcliff
Word of Life

[hopefan]

Games of 11/27/19

Vermont (NCAA-D1) 93, Gallaudet 44
Lees-Mcrae (NCAA-D2) 89, Eastern Nazarene 68
Robert Morris (NCAA-D1) 102, Geneva 62
Youngstown state (NCAA-D1) 93, Westminster (Pa.) 67

[Baldini]

Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad  ) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.

Central Maine CC, Culinary Institute of America and East-West are all currently listed as a members on the USCAA website. The problem with tracking this is that some of these schools come and go every few years from the USCAA. Not sure what the answer is for that.

Couple of teams on your list, Barclay and Southwestern Adventist (Southwestern Adventist is currently also listed as a USCAA member) are division 2 members of the NCCAA. NCCAA-2's.

This would require starting another grouping and the number of games played each year by them is probably not worth separating out, but Association Free Lutheran Bible College, Carolina Christian College, Champion Baptist who is now Champion Christian College, Rhema Bible College, St. Louis Christian College and I would add University of Los Angeles College of Divinity are all members of the ACCA. But 'others' is still probably the right designation for all of them in that association because in most seasons none of them play any D-3 schools.

Love the work you do hopefan, keep up the great job.   

*Just looking at the NCCAA website and see that Champion Christian College is a new NCCAA-2 member this year. Currently ranked 6th in their top 10 rankings this week and has a win over a NAIA school in Bacone.

I also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.   

[hopefan]

Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad  ) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.

That is truly Incredible.. I wish I could sit across the table from you over a long meal... I would think you could enamor me with stories for a lengthy time..

[Baldini]

Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad  ) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.

That is truly Incredible.. I wish I could sit across the table from you over a long meal... I would think you could enamor me with stories for a lengthy time..

Thanks hopefan, but my stories probably are not that interesting. Being older and living alone I tend to ramble a bit with my stories and peoples eyes tend to glaze over long before I am getting to my conclusion. 

What is a little sad at times in when I see some of these schools closing their doors for good at places I watched games, but I am guessing there will be many more in the coming decade. I was very surprised to hear NAIA school Cincinnati Christian closing this semester. They were a team that I always made a point to go watch when they came to central Kentucky to play someone, they had a silky smooth 6'5 player that was just a joy to watch. I would look his name up if they still had a website, but that is no more. I am not the greatest with name recall these days. St. Catharine College (KY) was another school that was easy for me to get to and watch games that closed 2016.

The Transylvania girls have a tournament tomorrow and Saturday and I will get to take in the doubleheaders on both days. Transylvania plays Maryville (Tenn.) and Redlands plays Southern Virginia tomorrow. The winner and losers will play each other on Saturday.   

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family hopefan and a Happy Thanksgiving to everyone else also.

[Inkblot]

I also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.

As of this year, they're also NAIA-2.

[Baldini]

I also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.

As of this year, they're also NAIA-2.

Good catch Inkblot, I had not noticed their name added to the California Pacific Conference standings until now. An annual audit is about the only way to stay on top of the never ending changes made by schools I guess.

[jeffconn]

Central Maine CC is USCAA in the Yankee Small Colleges Conference.
Bryant & Stratton (WI) is NJCAA Region 4.
Pretty sure that Carolina Christian is NCCAA D-2.
Thaddeus Steven is NJCAA Region 29.
Shawnee Baptist closed in 2014.

[Baldini]

Central Maine CC is USCAA in the Yankee Small Colleges Conference.
Bryant & Stratton (WI) is NJCAA Region 4.
Pretty sure that Carolina Christian is NCCAA D-2.
Thaddeus Steven is NJCAA Region 29.
Shawnee Baptist closed in 2014.

Carolina Christian is not listed as a member on their website.

https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB2_0606121659.aspx