WBB: American Southwest Conference

sethhpu · March 25, 2008, 12:01:33 AM

Ok I am going to stir the pot a little bit. Ralph, why do you think McM is a top 5 team?

Pat Coleman · March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM

Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.

Rob Don · March 25, 2008, 12:45:29 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.

Plus McMurry did have ONLY 5 loses. four to HPU and one to Birmingham-Southern; which wasn't a bad team. i mean Birm.-Southern had a 7 lose season in the SCAC playing against Depauw and Oglethorpe! Besides if you are looking at 'strength of schedule', wow playing the most dominate team of the year helps! Over all McMurry had a great team and in another conf or region could have went deeper into the tourney.

(as an HPU alumni, saying all this nice stuff about McMurry is starting to give me headache!)

dballa · March 25, 2008, 09:43:00 AM

Brownwood is having a parade to celebrate the HPU Lady Jackets National Championship. It was originally planned for Thursday night but from what I heard on the radio this morning and from the HPU SID it will be moved to Saturday morning at 10am and run from the Brownwood Coliseum and go through Baker and Center street then to the HPU campus.

millie · March 25, 2008, 09:48:50 AM

I have been silent for the past couple of years but listening and watching in the background...
I just wanted to offer CONGRATS to HPU...It was an awsome run (and I am glad we were within 8) After you got out of conference you made it look easy...maybe the competition is in the ASC and no one knows it.......

millie · March 25, 2008, 09:50:07 AM

Sorry...glad we were within 8...don't know where that came from

sethhpu · March 25, 2008, 11:22:18 AM

I didn't plan on giving McM a hard time for losing to HPU. No disrespect to McM at all, they were a good team. I think McM was a top ten team, but not a top five team. Now if they had been in another bracket and gone further in the tourney than obviously it would be different. I was just curious Ralph's reasoning for McM being a top 5 team.

inthepaint · March 25, 2008, 11:44:48 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
We actually fixed it on Saturday based on the earlier posts in here.

It's pretty annoying people can't bother to inform us of errors that have been on the site for years. If it escaped everyone's notice here for five years, including HPU fans, then how are we supposed to know?

Seriously, Pat, you can do better than blame the HPU fans and their failure to inform you of an error! You just missed it and messed up. It's that easy. I have found it a whole lot easier to just call him, "Coach K!"

I have to say it again because I have not been one to post positive things about Coach K; Congratulations, sir, on the coach-of-the-year award and on leading your girls to an undefeated national championship. You have made a believer out of me!

Pat Coleman · March 25, 2008, 12:00:07 PM

I did miss it and mess up and fixed it promptly, actually while we were broadcasting the men's title game.

Just don't know why it took five years for someone to notice!

dballa · March 25, 2008, 12:40:13 PM

Don't worry Pat people on this board write Mia Daniels instead of what it should be Meia. You're not the only one forgetting an e or two

People forget how much work you as well as others do on these d3 websites. It takes a lot of time and dedication away from your family and your day job.

I also don't think many people realize how many times you've voted HPU #1 and that you actually picked them to win it all the past two years(If I remember last year correctly). I'm just glad they were able to prove you right this year.

inthepaint · March 25, 2008, 01:55:14 PM

Quote from: inthepaint on March 25, 2008, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
We actually fixed it on Saturday based on the earlier posts in here.

It's pretty annoying people can't bother to inform us of errors that have been on the site for years. If it escaped everyone's notice here for five years, including HPU fans, then how are we supposed to know?

Seriously, Pat, you can do better than blame the HPU fans and their failure to inform you of an error! You just missed it and messed up. It's that easy. I have found it a whole lot easier to just call him, "Coach K!"

I have to say it again because I have not been one to post positive things about Coach K; Congratulations, sir, on the coach-of-the-year award and on leading your girls to an undefeated national championship. You have made a believer out of me!

I'll never figure out the Karma point thing! The above post earned me a loss of a point.

I don't know if it was my calling Pat out for expressing his personal annoyance with HPU fans who failed to point out his spelling error of the coach-of-the-year's last name (I did so with the little winking guy) or my affirming Coach K once again.

McM Blue Devil · March 25, 2008, 02:07:05 PM

HPU Fans:

This is a little delayed but I did want to offer my sincere congratulations on winning the National Championship. That is fantastic for your school, Brownwood, and the ASC.

Your team certainly earned it. Congratulations. And I offer my blessing (as if you needed it) to call your Coach, Coach K.

dballa · March 25, 2008, 02:10:49 PM

As did mine. Like I've said before about the karma and smites. Add them or take them away it makes no difference to me.

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39

inthepaint · March 25, 2008, 02:14:24 PM

Quote from: dballa on March 25, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
As did mine. Like I've said before about the karma and smites. Add them or take them away it makes no difference to me.

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39

Obviously, I am not where I need to be! I feel mortally wounded with every smite!

I will medidate upon the Matthew reference as the day progresses. Maybe I will move closer to to your "add them or take them away, it makes no difference to me" position! For now, I'm going to grab some grub.

Ralph Turner · March 26, 2008, 01:29:04 AM

Quote from: Rob Don on March 25, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.
Plus McMurry did have ONLY 5 loses. four to HPU and one to Birmingham-Southern; which wasn't a bad team. i mean Birm.-Southern had a 7 lose season in the SCAC playing against Depauw and Oglethorpe! Besides if you are looking at 'strength of schedule', wow playing the most dominate team of the year helps! Over all McMurry had a great team and in another conf or region could have went deeper into the tourney.

(as an HPU alumni, saying all this nice stuff about McMurry is starting to give me headache!)

I know about this playing nice. I have typed "H-o-w-a-r-d P-a-y-n-e" correctly all week!

Let me make my case for McMurry at Number five.

Only Hope was close this year.

In four games with HPU, McMurry got stomped in the first half of the first game (a 58-46 loss) and then held their own in the second game a 51-56 loss. In the second game, Daniels and Blalock "willed" themselves to a win in the last 6:03. IMHO, that win clinches the Sectional for HPU. Only Hope plays HPU closer this year. In game three, the ASC tourney final, HPU just romps (again). However, the second round of the playoffs is another wild ride. McMurry pulls back to within 6 points, and then Daniels drains three 3FG's to pull away. Massey MOV has home court advantage in D3 at 4 points. That is where I put HPU versus McMurry, at +10 points. Only Hope comes closer.

Collateral support for McMurry at #5 might be obtained by virtue of the 60-50 win over tourney participant St Thomas at Colorado College in a game that was 32-15 at the half. The next weekend, McMurry travels nearly 1200 miles to Maryville TN to defeat tourney participant Greensboro, 70-49. McMurry also played Birmingham-Southern while BSC had a healthy Reba Ross. BSC won that game 63-57 and went onto a 15-3 record in Reba's 18 games. The losses were to D-1 Centenary and Southern Miss and a 72-75 loss at Oglethorpe.

McMurry gets a good win over Trinity TX, 75-71

I believed that the power conferences in the country at the top were the SCAC, the WIAC, Hope and the ASC.

On my mythical ballot, I would place them this way:

1) HPU
2) Hope (a very close second, too)
3) UWW
4) DePauw
5) McMurry (Please permit me my homerism here...

)

6) Messiah
7) Oglethorpe (just because they ran out gas, lacking a post at this level).

Edited -- April 6, 2008. I have subsequently read that Nikki Lobach, Messiah's All-American senior guard, hurt her hand badly at the end of the Oglethorpe game. She surely was not 100% and was playing on "senior/last game ever" adrenaline. I have reconsidered my Top 5 and now slip Messiah ahead of McMurry into 5th.