WBB: American Southwest Conference

fanstand · February 26, 2009, 10:05:54 PM

I have a meeting in Dallas tomorrow and Saturday, and will miss my first tournament in 9 years. Dang it. But I hope to be back in time on Sunday and hope to see my LIB in the championship game, with I don't care who. So don't worry about me and the TP. I will try to catch as many games on the web as I can, but it's killing me not to be able to be there and watch all the great basketball that is going to be played. I believe my team will win, and I want them to, but I think this will be some of the toughest and greatest games to be played in a conference tourney in quite some time. Only the strong will survive, and hopefully will be able to move on and show what the ASC is made of. If we don't beat each other up too bad. Good Luck LIB, see you on the radio!!!!!!

SabineBBall · February 27, 2009, 10:52:37 AM

Good luck to all the teams today. Son has a high school playoff game tonight but we will be there starting tomorrow. Go get them UTD!!!

mcmfan · February 27, 2009, 04:25:15 PM

So much for the East being stronger than the West this year. It may turn out to be weaker; with #1 seed UTD losing to UMHB, this could easily end up being an all-West tournament by the end of the day. In the past, at least one East team was left standing after the first day. The winner: HSU, which easily took out LC and tomorrow plays a team which they beat twice in regular season.

Ralph Turner · February 27, 2009, 08:22:18 PM

HPU 63 Miss Coll 62. That is 3 teams from the West in the semis.

JACKET84 · February 27, 2009, 08:59:09 PM

Can UTT save the day for the east?

Ralph Turner · February 27, 2009, 10:53:13 PM

Quote from: JACKET84 on February 27, 2009, 08:59:09 PM
Can UTT save the day for the east?

Since the expansion of the format to 8-teams in 2006, the only wins by the East are ETBU's win over HSU (83-80) in 2006 and ETBU's win over UMHB 71-61.

That is ~~14-2~~ 16-2* for the West.

http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/wbball/2009/2/26/ASCWBBTOURNEYRECORDS09.pdf

*ETBU was beaten by the West in the second round.

Let's add Austin College's win over CTX in 2005. AC loses to HPU in the Semis. That makes the West 20-3 versus the East in the last 5 years.

millie · February 27, 2009, 11:09:52 PM

Ralph....
were you at the game? I would like to know about the end of the game...the foul that WAS called by the head official on HPUs girl on our point guard...on the final shot...the ref called it and the did not go to the monitor to look at the replay...what is the t.v. monitor for?

? they sure used it on our girl as to weather her shot was in front of the 3 point line or behind the line in the beginning of the 2nd half....
I was not at the game, but watched the live feed and have talked to friends that were at the game....
If you get beat...you get beat...but you hate for it to be taken out of the hands of the kids........

mcmfan · February 27, 2009, 11:41:52 PM

Somebody said after the game that the monitor frame rate was too slow to show whether the foul happened within 3/10 of a second or not. But it seems to me on an issue that controversial, the refs should have looked just for appearance sake, if nothing else.

Ralph Turner · February 27, 2009, 11:45:03 PM

Quote from: millie on February 27, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
Ralph....
were you at the game? I would like to know about the end of the game...the foul that WAS called by the head official on HPUs girl on our point guard...on the final shot...the ref called it and the did not go to the monitor to look at the replay...what is the t.v. monitor for?? they sure used it on our girl as to weather her shot was in front of the 3 point line or behind the line in the beginning of the 2nd half....
I was not at the game, but watched the live feed and have talked to friends that were at the game....
If you get beat...you get beat...but you hate for it to be taken out of the hands of the kids........

I was not at the game.

As for where a foot is placed on a monitor, that is simple if the resolution is good.

As for the refresh rate on the video stream, I m not sure about that.

Ralph Turner · February 27, 2009, 11:55:51 PM

The ASC-West is just brutal. We have at least 5 teams that can beat you, and the travel to the other three causes a team to focus more carefully.

Those games among CTX, HPU, HSU McM and UMHB are wars!

Tomorrow's should be just as good.

golfniz1 · February 28, 2009, 12:00:39 AM

TIME HAD EXPIRED BEFORE THE FOUL SO AFTER CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE REFS THERE IN FACT WAS NOT A FOUL. BLAME CANNOT BE PUT ON THE REFS FOR THIS MISS. COLLEGE HAD THEIR CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME, BUT COULD NOT CONVERT A VERY IMPORTANT FREE THROW AT THE END OF THE GAME. IN AN EARLIER POST I STATED THAT THE WEST WAS VERY BATTLE TESTED AND ONCE AGAIN PROVED TO BE THE STRONGER DIVISION IN THE CONFERENCE GOING 4-0. THE SEMI FINALS SHOULD BE VERY GOOD GAMES AND THE HOUSE SHOULD BE ROCKING FOR BOTH GAMES. GOOD LUCK TO ALL 4 TEAMS AND GO HPU

golfniz1 · February 28, 2009, 12:14:09 AM

Ralph what do you think about HPU, HSU, or McMurry getting a bid for the tournament should one or the other not win the conference tourney. All 3 have impressive wins against top 25 teams and play in a very good conference?

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2009, 01:01:07 AM

Quote from: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Ralph what do you think about HPU, HSU, or McMurry getting a bid for the tournament should one or the other not win the conference tourney. All 3 have impressive wins against top 25 teams and play in a very good conference?

I think that the two finalists will get bids (a Pool A and a Pool C). As for the semi-finalists, I am not sure.

UTD and MissColl were regionally ranked, but the tourney has shown the perennial strength that is the West. HPU is defending champion. HSU went to the Final Four in 2006 as a Pool C. McMurry has three straight NCAA bids. None of those are crtieria, but the existing criteria suggested that MissCollege and UTD would advance on a neutral floor.

I have this question for the HPU and HSU fans.

Was/Is Kimbrell Arena a "neutral" floor when you aren't playing McMurry, but are playing the East? How many times have your players played a pressure game at Kimbrell? You get good fan-turnout. That almost seems to be "friendly environs".

golden_dome · February 28, 2009, 02:00:10 AM

It's still too early to tell who would be the ASC pool C teams, and it greatly depends on who wins the ASC Tourney. It will be hard to separate the ASC teams, but here are what the numbers look like tonight using the D3hoops numbers.

Let's say McMurry beats HPU, HSU beats UMHB, and McMurry wins the tourney. McMurry (21-4) - receives the AQ.

MS College (21-4)
UTD (21-4)
HPU (20-6)
HSU (19-6)

I think if the regional record, OWP and OOWP are the main criteria, which has been insinuated, then UTD and MS College will get in. UTD and MC will have two fewer losses and the OWP's should all be very close.

However, HPU would probably have the best OWP, but it has to be enough to overcome two extra losses. HSU had the lowest OWP entering the tourney, but playing three games will help, but it still has to be good enough to overcome two extra losses.

HPU beat MC twice, MC beat HSU, MC split with UTD, UTD beat both HPU and HSU and split with MC.

Right now, it's too close to call. If HSU or HPU wins the tourney, then the numbers will obviously be changed a good. I don't think it would hurt having a coach or a friend on the committee either because it could be that close. Could the ASC get three pool C bids if the numbers are good enough compared to the rest of the country?

millie · February 28, 2009, 07:54:57 AM

First off GOLDNIZ1...DO NOT YELL AT ME! I ask Ralph a question about the end of the game..no where on my post was your name mentioned! Were you on the floor or did you see the monitor and what makes you so smart the you know the exact time that the buzzer went off? It is my understanding from fans that saw and were at the game that at the end that the ref turned to the HPU coach and ask "why did she do that, it was so stupid?" I was not putting blame, it just needed to be looked at at the end of the game...no I blame no one but ourselves..if MC had taken care of business we would not be having this conversation...Just like if the west would have taken care of their business in the regular season..this would be a moot conversation...stronger division..that i don't know...battle tested...for sure...you can not teach or coach tourney experience...and remember HPU was last years N.champions

GO UMHB

WBB: American Southwest Conference

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