WBB: American Southwest Conference

[dballa]

I just received some information that may be useful to some people around here.  As of two weeks ago which was the deadline, UTD didn't apply with the NCAA to host a national tournament game.  If that's the case we won't have to worry about playing at UTD.  Maybe someone inside UTD's athletic administration can shed a little light on that and correct me if that's been changed and they did apply.

That could make it a little sticky in who actually does get in.  UTD might actually have to drive to the "Mausoleum"

[SabineBBall]

I just received some information that may be useful to some people around here.  As of two weeks ago which was the deadline, UTD didn't apply with the NCAA to host a national tournament game.  If that's the case we won't have to worry about playing at UTD.  Maybe someone inside UTD's athletic administration can shed a little light on that and correct me if that's been changed and they did apply.

That could make it a little sticky in who actually does get in.  UTD might actually have to drive to the "Mausoleum"

Word I got was UTD had rented out their gym for that weekend a long time ago.  Not the brightest thing to do but.....who knows 

[Ralph Turner]

  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't throw them out, but do you honestly think these teams are the same as when they were playing the first couple of months of the season?  I don't like the current conference system because so many games count early on when you should be playing games that will get you ready for conference play.  HPU is playing the best basketball of any team right now in the conference and it was evident on the court this weekend.  If they play UTD right now, no matter where it's played, HPU will win. 

The way the projections are holding out we might get that chance, unless it were to be a 2nd round game and UTD couldn't get past a 1st round again.

I hope that we have another vote to change things to help us with OWP/OOWP!

I have been the most vocal on this.  I want us to get as many bids as we can.  I am resolved to the "Texas sub-bracket" but I also think that HPU ran the gauntlet!

That really helps to know that they took the best shots that the best teams in the ASC could deliver!  I also am on record that this was a 9 team tourney and only 8 teams would be seeded!

The calibre of ball in this conference has improved from 2-3 good teams in the early decade to 9 solid programs! 

Good luck Lady Jackets!  Good Luck Lady Comets!  I hope that we host a regional!

[Ralph Turner]

SabineBBall one day when, as you say, UTD learns to win whether it be a 1 ,2,3,or 6 point win at tournament time a win is a win and every win is critical when the selections are being made for the dance.  UTD had a great season, but towards the end of the season they just did not have the same bounce as they did the first 2 months and to be considered as a west beater especially in the conference tourney they have to maintain a high level of play thru out the whole season. Do you honestly believe that UTD deserves to host games over HPU since UTD lost their first round game to a 4th seed and HPU won the tournament beating a 2, 1, and 2 seed?  Oh by the way I would be willing to bet HPU would accept your daughter with open arms.

Yes, because UTD and HPU are 'in-region" games.  That is the way that the NCAA has set it up for all sports!

I don't want them counting towards division championships.

[SabineBBall]

I really feel for MC too.  They did everything right this season but their losses seem to have been to just the wrong teams.  Maybe a projection is wrong somewhere and they sneak in for the 3rd ASC team.  We can all hope!!!

[millie]

Thank you so much Sabine...I hope ya'll take your 1st round loss and use it to fire up your girls and go a long long way in the tourney...It amazes me the amount of talk from the West on this board now that the east has lost...think maybe a month ago the west was scared?  LOL  I'll  wager that if UTD is still standing tall in the tourney and HP has lost out that the boards go silent once again....hope ya'll can win it all (will do wonders for the east) that is unless the comm. gives MC a 3rd Pool c bid.

[ex-jacket]

  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead?  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

[SabineBBall]

  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead?  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

That should be the way it is but it appears the NCAA is more concerned with money than who deserves to host rounds.  Wasn't Hope undefeated also?  I guess their record and continual success didn't get them the same respect lol.  Bad argument!!  Almost sounds like a few don't want to face UTD at UTD.  hmmmm

[ex-jacket]

"Almost sounds like some people don't want to play at UTD?"
What has been my whole argument?  HPU won the conference tournament on the ROAD!!  HPU earned the respect of the NCAA and received the post season tournament!! BOTTOM LINE!!  UTD has one good year!! WOW!!

[dballa]

  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead?  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

That should be the way it is but it appears the NCAA is more concerned with money than who deserves to host rounds.  Wasn't Hope undefeated also?  I guess their record and continual success didn't get them the same respect lol.  Bad argument!!  Almost sounds like a few don't want to face UTD at UTD.  hmmmm

Hope got to host the Final Four in a year that they had one of their strongest teams.  How do you think coaches and schools would react to them getting to play at home throughout the whole tournament?  They had to earn the right to play at home in the Final Four and they didn't get past HPU.

As far as not wanting to play UTD, I can tell you right now HPU will play anybody anywhere right now because that means they are still playing and still shooting for another national title.

[dballa]

Well we've got HPU going to St. Louis to play Transylvania and Miss. College going to Oglethorpe to play Greensboro.

It sucks we won't have a local game to see but there will be tons of support on the road for the Lady Jackets.

[SabineBBall]

Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!  It appears they got in because they could be in a pod close to them with minimal travel.  Something stinks here!!!!

[Ralph Turner]

Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!  It appears they got in because they could be in a pod close to them with minimal travel.  Something stinks here!!!!

Split the conference in half!

The committee could see that they could eliminate one of the bubble-sitters this way.

If we have two Pool A conferences in this part of the country, then UTD doesn't lose in the ASC-WEST Conference tourney!

I think that we cut ourselves out of Pool C bid!

[mcmfan]

Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!

That's why I think a simple C bid from the runner-up in the ASC tourney would be best -- it would be more transparent than any of this stuff.
But all is not lost.  The NCAA actually put MC and HPU in different brackets, so they don't have to replay each other as soon as the postseason begins (which is what the NCAA usually seems to do to us).  In fact, if I read the brackets correctly, MC and HPU could end up playing each other in the final championship match! 

[McM Blue Devil]

I agree with Ralph.  Basically what we had this weekend at Kimbrell was a pre-NCAA tournament sub-regional.  HPU eliminated McM on Saturday and HSU on Sunday.  Let's face it, if MC hangs on Friday night against HPU, they probably don't get in.  Taking nothing away from HPU they deserved every bit of that ASC Championship.  I am happy for MC, but sad for UTD.