WBB: American Southwest Conference

The Jinx · February 19, 2010, 02:35:19 AM

Thanks David, now I know how it works.

JACKET84 · February 19, 2010, 08:37:40 AM

Based on HSU's play (at times), the LC vs HSU game may be one of the best games. Even though the East seems stronger this year, I believe the West has the potential to win 2 or 3 of the opening round games.

mcmfan · February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM

HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

ShouldaBeenAnIndian · February 22, 2010, 09:55:48 AM

Congrats to the teams that made the tournament. I saw that HSU managed to beat TLU pretty handily so they will be making the trip to Pineville as well. I just wish the tournament was closer so that I could watch some games! I am NOT making the trip out, but I wish safe travels to all those who are! I know that it is supposed to snow in the Abilene area Tuesday, so I hope that McMurry and Hardin-Simmons are able to leave without having to deal with icy road conditions.

Best of luck, everyone!

hsusid · February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.

It should be a great weekend. I don't know if there is a clear-cut favorite. I have seen all eight teams and I think all of the teams could beat any of the others. It will all be about matchups. Some teams match up better with others. I can't remember a time that all of the teams were so relatively evenly-matched. There should be some good games.

ShouldaBeenAnIndian · February 22, 2010, 10:51:34 AM

Quote from: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.

How was it irrelevant? If TLU had won, would the records of HSU and TLU not be the same? Then since they split, the records against other division opponents in ranked order would decide the tiebreaker (If I read correctly). The way I understood it was that if TLU had won either of their games last week, they would have had a chance to go to the tournament.

hsusid · February 22, 2010, 01:31:11 PM

Quote from: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 22, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.

How was it irrelevant? If TLU had won, would the records of HSU and TLU not be the same? Then since they split, the records against other division opponents in ranked order would decide the tiebreaker (If I read correctly). The way I understood it was that if TLU had won either of their games last week, they would have had a chance to go to the tournament.

The only way for TLU to get into the tournament was to beat HSU (assuming HSU and McMurry beat Schreiner). McMurry was locked in to the three seed because they would have had a three-way tiebreaker over TLU and HSU (4-0 record among tied teams).

TLU and HSU would then go back into the two-way tiebreaker system. HSU would have had the tiebreaker by virtue of its sweep of Howard Payne. Both teams lost to No. 1 UMHB and TLU lost both to No. 2 HPU.

mcmfan · February 22, 2010, 06:31:24 PM

Are you sure? If McMurry had lost to TLU but beaten Schreiner, its final standing would have been 12-9, the same standing for TLU if it won at McM but lost to HSU. HSU, winning twice, would have improved to 12-9. Result: not a 2-way tiebreaker, but a 3-way. Ralph Turner noted in his February 14 post:

In a three-way tie at 12-9, HSU loses in the first tie-breaker (Record versus McM/TLU is only 1-3.)

If I (and Ralph) understand this correctly, then, McMurry got HSU into the playoffs!

hsusid · February 22, 2010, 10:29:27 PM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 22, 2010, 06:31:24 PM
Are you sure? If McMurry had lost to TLU but beaten Schreiner, its final standing would have been 12-9, the same standing for TLU if it won at McM but lost to HSU. HSU, winning twice, would have improved to 12-9. Result: not a 2-way tiebreaker, but a 3-way. Ralph Turner noted in his February 14 post:

In a three-way tie at 12-9, HSU loses in the first tie-breaker (Record versus McM/TLU is only 1-3.)

If I (and Ralph) understand this correctly, then, McMurry got HSU into the playoffs!

This is from the ASC Handbook.
9.1.2 Multiple Ties: In the event of a tie with three or more teams, the seed positions for all sports except football and tennis are determined by the following formula. When a team or teams have been seeded, the remaining teams are placed at the beginning of the appropriate formula for "Multiple Ties" or "Two-Way Ties" until all ties have been broken.

So in the case of the three way tie -- McMurry would be seeded third because they would have been 3-1 versus HSU and TLU (the other two tied teams).

Thus, the other two teams would go into the tiebreaker fro Two-Way ties which was explained earlier.

Both teams were 0-2 vs. UMHB the first place team.
HSU was 2-0 vs. HPU (the second place team) and TLU was 0-2.

None of it matters now. It will be who can be hot for three games (like HPU last year). It would not surprise me to see any of the eight teams win the tournament.

mcmfan · February 23, 2010, 01:53:58 PM

How disappointing. I was savoring the irony of McMurry helping HSU get into the tournament, particularly since I think HSU has the potential to do more damage there than McM. We've pretty much stayed at the same level all season, being upset by a lower-ranked team only once (Ozarks), but failing to beat any higher-ranked teams. HSU, by contrast, both lost to teams that we beat, but also beat teams that we couldn't beat (like HPU). If there are going to be any tournament upsets, I think HSU is more likely to pull them off than McM. It will be interesting, no doubt about that.

Ralph Turner · February 23, 2010, 02:05:36 PM

Thanks for the clarification, hsusid!

JACKET84 · February 23, 2010, 02:10:22 PM

My unbiased opinion

First Round Winners: MHB, McM, HPU & LC (HSU very well could knock off LC at home)

Secound Round : MHB, HPU

Final: HPU (Four in a row!)

Twright17 · February 25, 2010, 08:41:36 AM

Im not sure who is going to win the tourny, I'm pulling for UT-D though. I think if the lady comets can pull together when times get difficult then they'll win this thing. They definitely have the route they want to get to ship. They have to do it together on the boards!!!

I dont see MCM making it out of the first round nor do i see HSU. HPU-UMHB-UTD-LC will make the 2nd round. UT-d will have to avenge their upset last year if they want to make it ship.

JACKET84 · February 25, 2010, 11:50:27 AM

Will the games be video streamed? If so, does anyone know the link?

ShouldaBeenAnIndian · February 25, 2010, 12:25:37 PM

Quote from: JACKET84 on February 25, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
Will the games be video streamed? If so, does anyone know the link?

According to the ASC website, you can find the games online at the following link on College TV Ticket for free. Here's the quote from the website.

The entire eight-team, single elimination event will be available for fans through free live video streaming with audio provided by College TV Ticket (collegetvticket.com). The direct link for all seven games is here.

"College TV Ticket takes great pride in the selection by the American Southwest Conference as the web distribution network for their 2010 ASC Women's Basketball Championship Tournament," said Dennis Jacobs, president of CTVT, which is in its third season of webcasting Division III and Division II sports to alumni and parents of student-athletes.

LC will have a tournament page on www.lcwildcats.net and the conference will have a "Tournament Central" page on www.ASCsports.org where the links to video can also be accessed as well as those for live stats, box scores, game recaps, photos and updated brackets.

http://www.collegetvticket.com/schedule.php?=0&type=tournament&school=2010+ASC+Women%27s+Basketball+Championship+Tournament&activity=0&fromDate=02%2F24%2F2010&toDate=03%2F31%2F2010&action=filter