WBB: American Southwest Conference

sethhpu · February 09, 2006, 10:45:09 PM

Congrats Lady Jacket! Really starting to come together, I heard a stat the HPU out rebounded MCM +24 which is suprising. Sounds like it was a great game, good luck Saturday agaisnt HSU, stay focused.

bcal · February 09, 2006, 10:57:22 PM

McMurry lady Indians were beaten off the boards rather badly. HPU, a very good team, sat back in their zone defense leaving McMurry to hid outside shots. If those shots did not fall, the rebound went to HPU. The lady jackets won the rebounding at both ends. A team can't shoot in the mid 30s percentagewise and win. The lady Indians made 6 of 11 free throws. Given all of the above, they lost by only one. I think it is all part of the maturity process. McMurry is a young team, very young. Many of the players have gained a lot of playing time that can only bear good fruit as this team goes forward.

calhsu · February 09, 2006, 11:02:26 PM

It is easy to say. I was wrong. Congrats to HPU on the win. Good for you. I' m sure the Cowgirls are ready for you, want you to bring it on Couple of reasons for the outcome. I will say HPU played a great game. Second I wonder if the load of being the front runner has got to MCM. They are not use to that role. You have to admit the Cowgirls played that role well over the years.

Now it is wide open for the four teams.
With all due respect Ralph, Sure some of the teams have good players, the rest of teams though are still bad. To be sure in the past MHB has been a force, but not this year. Right now they are just beating other bad teams. I guess I don't buy your belief Ralph that Texas is this pool of great women players. Don't get upset, I'm not saying there are not good and great player in Texas. I'm just saying there is not an unlimited pool. Sul Ross would have most likely lost all its games in most conference in the country. Texas Tech and Baylor have won a national championships but over all Texas has not proved to be year in and year out an over whelming force.
I am growing in my confidence in the Cowgirls. Regardless of the fact of who has the "greatest bench," the cowgirls are playing a better team game. I think in the beginning of the season they had to adjust to a player of the level of West. Now she playing a role and is not the team.
I can admit being wrong. But I will stick to my prediction of a ten point loss for HPU. And if I need I will admit being wrong if needed.

Ralph Turner · February 09, 2006, 11:29:07 PM

calhsu, I was trying to be diplomatic about UMHB. UMHB's Lisa Martinez was voted the ASC-West Pre-Season POTY, but she left the team before the season began. I don't know why. It doesn't matter now. That would be a different UMHB Lady Cru.

As for one of the finest Lady Vols in UTennessee history, you may have seen her father play at HSU. Yes, I remember Harvey Catchings at HSU.
His daughter Tamika went to Duncanville High School.

http://utladyvols.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/archive/hist_retired_jerseys.html

Everyone recruits Texas High School athletes. Many great athletes leave the state.

And we are forgetting Trinity, the 2003 National Champion. Some great athletes actually came to Texas that time.

I would say that there are very few conferences in D3 women who have much depth to their quality. I put the ASC-West up there with the best.

The ASC has had 2 Jostens nominees in the last 4 years. Not as good as some, but a whole lot better than most.

One specific criticism that I hear is the ability of our women players to put the ball on the floor and drive the basket and not travel. That is one skill that I hear is perfected better in Ohio and Pennsylvania players.

You have been on the left coast too long, good friend!

calhsu · February 10, 2006, 12:00:33 AM

Yes Ralph, Harvey Catching was at HSU two of my years. And I watched with pride his daughter. But being on the left coast I would know of another state that loses a fair share of its home grown talent. The northern cal section my home team plays in had a two year state championship for girls that feature twins (daughters of Bubba Paris--football) they are now playing for Oklahoma.

I just can't see how you can say that 2/3s of the ASC are strong. The ASC has very few wins in the playoffs. Two elite eight apperances. All of the ASC wins in the playoffs come from two teams as you are well aware of. When other teams step up like HPU did last year and win the conference and then win playoff games then you can tell me that the confence is good. In football they have done that very thing. Of course Texas has owned football this past year. California was tired of the burden.

dsc · February 10, 2006, 12:01:03 AM

Ralph,

I am impressed. You seem to know eveything about everybody!!!

Good for you!!!

HSU's win over SRSU may prove to be costly. Point guard, Sarah Hauk went down with a knee injury!!! $:-\$

If she is unable to play Saturday, it is bound to have a deleterious affect on the outcome!

We'll see...maybe others can step up!

Ralph Turner · February 10, 2006, 12:11:17 AM

Ouch, that hurts about Sarah Hawk. ACL? or do we know yet?

HPU can pull into a tie with HSU and then hope for a McMurry meltdown to get a tie or better.

fanstand · February 10, 2006, 12:23:24 AM

You know, its a game. Everytime it is played there is a loser and a winner coming off the floor. Sometimes it's you. We beat ourselves tonite, they got the last shot and we lost by one. Our season is not defined, we aren't whipped puppies. We are 20 wins with 2 losses. On any given day, I have been preaching that all year. We go back to the gym, we keep working. We are going to the tournament. We have the #1 point guard in D3, we have 4 players who have ranked in the top 100 players for weeks. I am proud of this team, not for basketball skills, but for who they are. They are the sweetest, most humble set of ladies and they deserve the attention they have been getting. We have 3 regular season games left, we win those and its the best regular season ever. Then on to the Tourney. Thats an accomplishment in itself. I am proud to support the L.I.B. team. Yes I hope HPU has HSU's number, but I am sorry for the injury to Sarah Hawk. And there will be no meltdown Ralph...........

dballa · February 10, 2006, 12:37:45 AM

Congrats to both HPU and McM for playing a great game today. More so for HPU

I knew if they shot the ball like they are capable of doing it would be a close game whomever won it. The thing i'm most disappointed about is the officiating. If they were consistently bad then it would be one thing but they would make completely different calls for the same types of fouls or lack of fouls on both ends of the floor.

Time to go into HSU and knock them off. Way to go Lady Jackets!!

fanstand · February 10, 2006, 12:46:05 AM

Dballa I agree about the officiating, it just wasn't consistent. You know there are 17 teams in the top 25 who have 2 or more losses. The west does have to be proud of the rivalry between the top 3 teams, it makes for great basketball. Frustrating, but great games none the less.

dballa · February 10, 2006, 12:53:33 AM

You're right these rivalries are a lot of fun. Except as I get older and the heart just isn't beating like it did a couple yrs ago

I was disappointed with the crowd. They started showing up right before the guys game started but there just wasn't much of a crowd for the women's game until the last 5 mins or so.

People need to realize if they go to these games they are seeing some of the best basketball in the state of Texas aside from schools with full scholarships. I would much rather watch these women playing their hearts out for the love of the game and a good education.

calhsu · February 10, 2006, 01:51:35 AM

It sure is intresting how people from various teams are all llined up to see HSU lose this Saturday. Today is the first time in over a month they are in first (tied) and yet it seems that the old envy and hatred still lingers from former years.

All the Cowgirls have to do to replace the injured girl is to have someone pass the play. Their scoring has come from the post players all year.

fanstand · February 10, 2006, 08:17:45 AM

Calhsu, Ralph is right, you have been out on the left coast way too long. As a fan, I want my team to finish first. It has nothing to do with past teams! Duh. At least you HSU people will have an excuse if you do lose. Envious, please....give me a break. That is the arrogant attitude that people like me don't appreciate from people like you. And in Sarah Hawk's defense, I have seen her play she does more than "pass the play". GO HPU.

calhsu · February 10, 2006, 09:30:42 AM

fanstand....First the winning tradition has a great deal to do with how HSU continues to win and why the rest of you love it when they have a loss.

And now you have me saying that Sarah is not a good player. Of course she is, she starts for the division co-leader. You said then that we would now have an excuse for not winning. Well that is not what I meant, her not playing will not decide the game. It seems that MCM fans are the only one giving excues on why they lose. I have proved that if I am wrong I will admit it;(see my post) but what would you say if I am right and HSU wins by ten, or just wins.

I'm sure it will be the officating. It always is when you guys lose. When you win we just were so good.

dsc · February 10, 2006, 09:31:19 AM

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That's easy for you to say!

Go Cowgirls!