WBB: American Southwest Conference

dballa · February 21, 2007, 09:33:45 AM

Pointing out mistakes is fine but don't say it in a way that puts down the person doing the inputting. The SID's work long hours, most likely longer hours than anybody else and don't get paid very well to do so. Have a little respect for those men and women who work hard to provide information to the fans of the sports.

FrmrHSUer · February 21, 2007, 09:57:35 AM

S.I.D.'s do a great job on keeping us informed about game stats and notes. they are human being just like the rest and are capable of mistakes. Usually these people are very intelligent and are fun to hold conversations with. But it does seem that in a world of spell check, fast internet, and stats program that mistakes would be limited and postings would happen quick. Their behind the scenes work probably gets the less appreciation that is needed than any other behind the scenes people(well, except maybe the athletic trainer).

Okay, back to bball, i'm very much looking forward to this weekend! B'wood is going to be a great host.

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2007, 10:36:40 AM

Quote from: Bench Coach on February 21, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Ralph - I am just a fan of the game and enjoy watching a little bit of good bball.

Bench Coach, I believe that an anonymous fan can join the mesage board and make the usual fan congratualtions and enjoy the casual banter. However, I firmly believe that it is not fair for any party involved to second-guess or criticize a coach or a player under the cloak of anonymity. That is just my style.

Bench Coach · February 21, 2007, 11:21:30 AM

Ralph - I can understand what you are saying but you also have to understand a person's privacy. There isn't anything wrong with speaking your opinion on any situation on this board and not giving a name. This board is to talk about basketball and with that comes the coaches too. It is a person's right to stay unknown if that is what they want. That is my belief and one person doesn't have to give out their name or association to anything. I have seen on here about people finding out who one is and then let the rest of the board know. I chose to remain as no one knowing who I am. If that upsets you I am sorry, but that is what i feel and what I am going to do.

mcmfan · February 21, 2007, 11:40:57 AM

How about some more speculation about this weekend's games? My point spread numbers, which I think favor HSU in the tournament, have been questioned by several posters as ignoring the intangibles of the game. So, to keep everyone interested (or outraged?) about the teams, how about this intangible: HSU has the psychological edge because it's virtually certain they will be invited to the post season no matter how badly they do in the tournament. Last year, with a worse regular season record than this year, and a tournament loss in the first round, they got invited. They vindicated that invitation by making it to the final four. So, I can't see the NCAA not inviting them this year with that record behind them. As a result, they can play without feeling any pressure, for their future is assured. Their opponents, by contrast, know that even if they beat them this weekend they will just have to face them again in the post season, and if they don't beat them they might not even have a post season. So, who has the pressure on them, HSU or their opponents?

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2007, 12:47:38 PM

McM fan, I don't think that HSU's reputation had any impact on last year's Pool C bid. I think that they were buoyed by the overall strength of the conference and they got the "last" Pool C bid.

My cynical side thinks that they were a convenient "4th" to put in Abilene sub-regional...cheap bus fare to the tourney site.

Remember, that defending Champion Trinity women failed to make the 2004 tourney because they did not have the numbers, and Coach Geyer chaired the committee!

Bench coach, your statement doesn't upset me. I just think that criticizers have more credibility when they are identified.

CUAfan · February 21, 2007, 01:08:33 PM

Just going out on a limb here, but isn't HPU virtually assured a spot as well? Same thing with McMurry, more or less. Those three ought to be in the tourney regardless of ASC Tourney outcome. Of course, whether or not they end up there is another story entirely.

sethhpu · February 21, 2007, 01:12:06 PM

mcmfan, I don't think HSU is a lock. That doesn't mean I don't think they get in. I think the only thing that reputation gets a team is votes in a poll. Just because they have a better record than last year gives you no guarantee they will make the tournament this year. You can't look at last season to see if you will make the tournament, it changes every year. McM and HPU I think are both locks to get in and so your pyschological advantage really goes to nobody. I think your arguement's could easily be made for McM and HPU just as easy. I do think there is more pressure on HPU because it is in Brownwood and some people don't feel we are as good as #3. I guess we will find out after this weekend.

mcmfan · February 21, 2007, 01:46:52 PM

My point is that, considering how well HSU did in the post season last year after they bombed the tournament, if they end up on the "bubble" again this year they would be given the benefit of the doubt over some other team with a similar rating but a less impressive past track record -- and everyone knows it. I suspect the real pressure is on ETBU, which could get all the way to the final game and, unless they won, suffer the fate of UMHB last year -- and I'm sure the team members all know that, too.

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2007, 02:12:10 PM

I like Pirate's question about seating on another board. Since the tourney is sponsored by the ASC, shouldn't the seating be readily accessible, or better yet reserved, for equal numbers of the participants' fans?

McM93 · February 21, 2007, 02:26:27 PM

What is sad and I know it has been said before is that HSU, HPU and McM, two of these will probably face each other in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Most likely HSU and McM. Then the second round, if HPU gets out, will face the winner. That is all if HPU wins the ASC tournament

McM93 · February 21, 2007, 02:29:35 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
I like Pirate's question about seating on another board. Since the tourney is sponsored by the ASC, shouldn't the seating be readily accessible, or better yet reserved, for equal numbers of the participants' fans?

There really isn't a whole lot of room down there to add more seating if both schools bring cheerleaders. But HPU is the host so they should get the floor seating for their games. If we were hosting we would probably section the stands off like it is done every other game.

chemprof · February 21, 2007, 02:45:50 PM

I agree with sethhpu's remark about HSU not being a lock. Look at their record (20-4) versus ETBU's (21-4). Should ETBU advance further in the ASC tournament it seems that HSU is on the "bubble" and ETBU could get the nod.

thundercat · February 21, 2007, 03:13:32 PM

I don't think ETBU has a chance of getting in the NCAA tourney without winning the ASC tourney. They may have a decent record, but the strength of the East is far less then the West and they play east opponents twice. I know it isn't their fault, just the way it is. ETBU, if you want to experience the NCAA's, you had better come ready to play in Bwood.

I would say it would be very hard for the panel to not take in HPU, MCM and HSU regardless of the outcome. I guess if one of these 3 teams doesn't win it, then maybe one will be left behind, but who that would be is up in the air.

Looking forward to the weekend and cheering loudly. Interested to see how all teams play and the outcomes as you just never know come tourney time!

pirateonthebrazos · February 21, 2007, 03:21:03 PM

Wow, not my day on the computer .... here is the post I put on the wrong board.

I was wondering how our "Hosts" will handle the lower bowl bleacher seats during the tourney. Will these seats be available to everyone or to just HPU students?

Maybe they will move in more seats and make it available to all the fans...??