WBB: American Southwest Conference

[WLCALUM83]

looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.

A win over Southwestern gives them a QOWI of 10.040.

KSC and GAC were the lowest QOWI's that I saw and both lower than 10.040.

ETBU needed another non-ASC game to boost their QOWI, and then they had too many ASC games against low QOWI schools that brought down their QOWI.

I think that the coaches can make the case for 20 or 21 games being too many mandated ASC games.  ETBU has made no effort to schedule other D3's, but I think that the conference needs to re-address this issue.

We need to get 20-22 D3 games for these schools, so I think that the weaker schools need to look at games against winnable schools in the SLIAC, the GSAC, the USAC, the IIAC, the NWC and the SCIAC to boost their records.

When it comes to scheduling of non-conference games, (correct me if I'm wrong), is it more of a geographically "isolated" (loose sense of the word) thing, or just a matter of not being able to schedule any out-of-region D3 teams? (Just throwing that out there.)

(Concordia, WI, for example, would appear to at least have more non-conference D3 choices in comparison. The Falcons were able to land a tournament with 3 other D3 teams over the holidays.)

[Ralph Turner]

As it now, the 20/21 game mandated conference format takes up all but 2 weekends.  That limits your options there.

[sethhpu]

I know not many will like this opinion but I felt that HSU was on the bubble the entire time. Now if they had made the championship game then I thought they were going to get in. I also think if ETBU had played anybody non-conference in D3 than they would have made the tournament. Just goes to show that reputation and last year's records don't get you into the tournament.

[Pat Coleman]

Too bad the NCAA forgets the D-3 is also competetive, instead of just trying to save money.

See if your president is willing to accept a 100% increase in his dues.

[sethhpu]

I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

[Ralph Turner]

I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

[WLCALUM83]

looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.

A win over Southwestern gives them a QOWI of 10.040.

KSC and GAC were the lowest QOWI's that I saw and both lower than 10.040.

ETBU needed another non-ASC game to boost their QOWI, and then they had too many ASC games against low QOWI schools that brought down their QOWI.

I think that the coaches can make the case for 20 or 21 games being too many mandated ASC games.  ETBU has made no effort to schedule other D3's, but I think that the conference needs to re-address this issue.

We need to get 20-22 D3 games for these schools, so I think that the weaker schools need to look at games against winnable schools in the SLIAC, the GSAC, the USAC, the IIAC, the NWC and the SCIAC to boost their records.

When it comes to scheduling of non-conference games, (correct me if I'm wrong), is it more of a geographically "isolated" (loose sense of the word) thing, or just a matter of not being able to schedule any out-of-region D3 teams? (Just throwing that out there.)

(Concordia, WI, for example, would appear to at least have more non-conference D3 choices in comparison. The Falcons were able to land a tournament with 3 other D3 teams over the holidays.)

As it now, the 20/21 game mandated conference format takes up all but 2 weekends.  That limits your options there.

Concordia-WI ended up playing a 19-game in-NAthCon regular season schedule. Next season MSOE joins that conference, so after that, the Falcons will be in the same boat as the ASC teams.

[Ralph Turner]

WLC, you have many more options.  You also have a chance for your better teams to get some separation.

Figure how to split into divisions in a way that does not cramp one schools travel budget.  You are not quite split evenly on Illinois/Wisconsin basis, but you have ways that you can schedule stronger teams and not be weighted down too oppressively by your weaker teams.

[WLCALUM83]

Good point there. 

[McM93]

I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.

[Ralph Turner]

I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.

My bad! But didn't we have regional play-ins to get to the 32-team tourney in Kansas City?

That was pre-ASC and pre-internet and we (TIAA) rarely got newspaper coverage in Dallas.

[McM93]

I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.

My bad! But didn't we have regional play-ins to get to the 32-team tourney in Kansas City?

That was pre-ASC and pre-internet and we (TIAA) rarely got newspaper coverage in Dallas.

I believe they did that up until about 1991 or 1992, after that if you won the conference you got an automatic bid to it.  I believe Tarleton hosted it one year and somewhere in Idaho after that.  McM went, I believe, a couple of times and then HPU went three straight times before the ASC was formed.

[McM93]

The above post was all on the men's side.  Not sure about the women's, I think there tournament was somewhere east.

[Ralph Turner]

Great Bracket!  We get separated!

From a travel basis, it makes logical sense.  One game in Southern Califiornia to eliminate one travel orphan.  A fourth requiring a second plane trip to Texas and McMurry gets to another side of the Sectional.

I assume that the #1 seeds in each corner are HPU, NYU, Bowdoin and Southern Maine.

Go LIB!

[mcmfan]

To continue the discussion about conditions in the Brownwood mausoleum, how much would be in violation of NCAA rules for post season play hosted by HPU?  My understanding is that for the post season, uniform NCAA rules would require HPU to take down their posters in the stadium (the "go team" ones, not the championship banners) to make it a more neutral site.  And what about the bleachers?  Can a school reserve the best seats for only its own students in the post season?  Since the infamous bleachers consist of two units sitting on the floor, it wouldn't be hard to push them 3-4 feet apart and have one section for the home team and the other for the visitors.  Of course, I forgot the most important part: what are the post season NCAA rules on availability of toilet paper in the restrooms?