WBB: American Southwest Conference

[Ralph Turner]

I think his experience in the OU and Kentucky Wesleyan programs will help him no matter if it was men's or women's that he was wanting to coach.  I think the biggest adjustment will be in recruiting at the DIII level. 

Next year is going to be a challenge no matter what just because of the youth of the players remaining on the team.  But if he can keep the core together along with some future recruits they could be competing nationally again the next year.

As far as adjusting to Brownwood, I think he'll do it pretty easily since he lived here for a little while when he was younger. 

I think that the pre-season picks for the West include:

1) HSU
2) UMHB
3) Concordia -- only loses Harris
4) HPU
5) McM (if everyone is graduating early that might!)
6) SRSU
7) Schreiner
8 ) TLU -- another coaching change!

[Ralph Turner]

Good schedule for UTT.

St Benedict's and UW-Platteville are in-region games.

The Jarvis Christian pair make sense for the sake of travel.

24 games listed.

[Ralph Turner]

HPU coach talks about his new job.

[JACKET84]

Exposure to the Oklahoma men's program is good, but three years as a student manager, one as video coordinator and three as director of basketball operations (no off-campus recruiting) isn't the same as being a women's head coach.

I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA.   It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

[JACKET84]

Next year is going to be a challenge no matter what just because of the youth of the players remaining on the team.  But if he can keep the core together along with some future recruits they could be competing nationally again the next year.

With any coaching change there will always be players that don't return to the program.  Hopefully most of the core players will return.  I guess we'll have to wait until the fall registration.

[golfniz1]

PAT WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THAT FRONT PAGE PICTURE ON D3 HOOPS?  THE HPU  WOMEN ARE WAITING AND SO ARE THEIR FANS!  WE ARE TIRED OF SEEING DEPAUW .

[Josh Bowerman]

I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA.   It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.   

[dballa]

I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA.   It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.   

Why does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 

[JACKET84]

You brought up his experience at OU will help him.  All I brought up is that his boss was one that didn't go by the NCAA rules at OU, and then again at Indiana.  I'm sure he's a great guy, else HPU wouldn't have hired him. 

[Pat Coleman]

I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA.   It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.   

Why does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 

If it's a fact, then it's fair game. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be silenced.

[Josh Bowerman]

Why does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 

I disagree most vehemently.  It most certainly has EVERYTHING to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU.

As it seems to me, most of his mentors have run afoul of the NCAA--which means (at the very least) he should overtly go out of his way to distance himself from the conduct of those individuals and programs for which he has trained for this opportunity.  Unless, of course, he sees nothing wrong with the conduct that got both Harper and Sampson fired and placed pretty close to the top of the AA's crap list--in which case you should be more than a little concerned.

It is very legitimate to question the integrity of someone that comes from program backgrounds marred by scandal and shame.  And to be blunt about it, I'm more than a bit surprised that you, yourself, wouldn't ask those exact same type of questions.

Obviously, Lanny is satisfied, but I must say I'm fairly surprised by this hiring.

[Josh Bowerman]

In the interest of fairness, I will say that I believe Prock was only on Harper's staff at KWC for one or two seasons--and that the entire athletic program there was an unmitigated disaster.

However, ignorance is no excuse--especially when coupled with the Sampson connection.

[dballa]

As it seems to me, most of his mentors have run afoul of the NCAA--which means (at the very least) he should overtly go out of his way to distance himself from the conduct of those individuals and programs for which he has trained for this opportunity.  Unless, of course, he sees nothing wrong with the conduct that got both Harper and Sampson fired and placed pretty close to the top of the AA's crap list--in which case you should be more than a little concerned.
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After knowing him and his family when they were in Brownwood, his father was a pastor at the church I attend,  I have no doubt he's a great man, a great coach, and someone who will keep a good reputation with the HPU women's basketball program.  

Guilty by association doesn't always apply.  I think a lot of us have worked for a boss that hasn't always done things the right way but that doesn't mean you've joined in with what they've done.  To imply that someone has done so without any facts could falsely damage someone's reputation.  


As far as questioning someone's integrity, get to know someone first before you make a decision, you might be surprised at what you find out about them.

[Josh Bowerman]

I hope you're right, dballa.

[JACKET84]

Just anounced today that Lindy Hatfield will stay as Asst. coach at HPU.  This should really help with the transition of head coaches.