WBB: Northwest Conference

Helpside · February 04, 2008, 01:05:47 PM

I would like to post on this weekends games as well.

I was fortunate enough to be able to make the trip to the UPS/GFU game - and it was exciting!

UPS played phenomenal. Contributions for several players made it hard for GFU to compete. Ely had 6 steals, all off Behary I think. Harter hit a couple big 3's and Hirsh turned the game with a running jumper.

Basic Difference: UPS had emotion and used it to fuel their play. GFU looked surprised and in shock. I don't think they expected UPS to come out play them with such intensity.

As far as the comment about both teams finishing without any more losses on the regular season - I'd have to shy away from that comment. UPS has some big road trips coming up against tough competition and GFU doesn't have an easy road either.

In the NWC any given night....

Good win Loggers - it was a pleasure to watch such a good game this weekend.

LogShow · February 09, 2008, 02:47:55 PM

Another good weekend for the Loggers...now they get to sit back tonight and watch everyone duke it out

Pugetsoundfan · February 11, 2008, 12:17:36 AM

Looking too far ahead, if GFU and UPS finish tied at the top of the league and split their head-to-heads, who hosts the league tournament final?

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 03:04:09 PM

Quote from: Pugetsoundfan on February 11, 2008, 12:17:36 AM
Looking too far ahead, if GFU and UPS finish tied at the top of the league and split their head-to-heads, who hosts the league tournament final?

Not sure how it will work out...but if it comes down to more tie-breaks then head-to-head against other teams. G Fox or UPS will get the short end of the deal. Hopefully it won't end up in a coin flip...as Whitman knows

hoopnut · February 11, 2008, 05:20:11 PM

Regarding the tie breakers between GFU and UPS, in the case that both teams win out through the conference play, (no small feat in the NWC) - Unfortunately, as I read the 8 tie breakers, they would remain tied through Number 7. Number 8 involves a drawing of lots that occured last fall. I don't know who has what number. The tie breakers can be found on the NWC website under governanace of winter sports.

On the bright side, if they both win out, I'd be suprized if they both did not go to the NCAA tournament, regardless of the outcome of the NWC post season play-off.

LogShow · February 12, 2008, 12:52:32 PM

Not that polls matter but UPS got the short end in the lastest poll. They only moved up one spot while G Fox jumped back up to 12th...how does that work?

80sshorts · February 13, 2008, 02:34:32 AM

I think GFU has the tiebreaker, but doesn't Sempert system come before coin flip? I would think that would settle things.

hoopnut · February 13, 2008, 12:02:44 PM

The following is from the NWC rules:
6.1.2 In case of a tie in the regular season Conference standing affecting
post-season advancement, tie shall be broken by:
1. Head to Head competition in conference games only
2. Results against all teams above those tied in conference games
only
3. Results against above teams in rank order in conference games
only
4. Order of losses beginning with the 9th seed and moving up to
the tied teams
5. Best conference road record
6. Sempert System in conference games
7. record versus non-conference common opponents at a common
site
8. Pre-arranged draw by Athletic Directors at the fall meeting

The Sempert System is only for conference ganes, which would be a wash for GFU and UPS if both teams win out. Do you know what the results of the drawing of lots was last fall?

Helpside · February 13, 2008, 01:15:24 PM

I hate to be the damper on a sunny conversation but...

Last time I checked...

This weekend was huge for NWC play
Fox plays LC and Pacific, two teams that are scrappy and dangerous in league play.
UPS goes to WM/WW - a VERY hard road trip for any team.

I don't know that there is any reason to be considering tie - breakers at this point. I could eat my words but there is still plenty of room for teams to improve/hurt their records....just a thought to keep in mind.

hoopnut · February 13, 2008, 01:50:46 PM

I absolutely agree - there are no sure things in the NWC. Both GFU and UPS play LC, Whitworth and Whitman over the next two weekends, and they will not be easy games. In addition, GFU needs to get by Pacific and UPS needs to take on Willamette.

Having said that, both GFU and UPS are playing strong, and would be the odds-on pick for any of these games. IF they win out, then the decision as to who is the number one seed to the tournament would come down to what number the AD picked last fall. I don't know who has what number, and I'm guessing no one will say until after the last game is played next weekend, (probably as it should be). The impact would be the need for the second seed to play the 3rd seed, (currently LC, but both Whitman and Whitworth have a shot, especially if they can knock off either UPS or GFU), and would loose home court advantage to the number 1 seed. That could be a big factor, based on some of the home cooking I've seen @ GFU over the years.

Lots of excitement in the NWC for the next few weeks!

LogShow · February 13, 2008, 10:50:34 PM

Wanted to say congrats to UPS for having a #3 west region ranking...good work!

Pugetsoundfan · February 14, 2008, 09:02:18 PM

I just wanted to say that I saw GFU lose at UPS. The Loggers are strong, it was a convincing win, and as always Puget Sound was incredibly well-coached. Barcomb is a gem. But GFU moved the ball as well as any basketball team, M or F, I have ever seen. They were a joy to watch in the half court offense, and they're a credit to their coach and the league. NWC basketball is pretty darn good!

LogShow · February 17, 2008, 06:19:26 PM

Though a small stumble, UPS is still in 1st place. IF they can win both at home they will be looking very good. I think they have the tie breaker over G Fox now (assuming both teams win both games this weekend).

hoopnut · February 20, 2008, 12:01:44 PM

Things are just a little bit more clear in the NWC tournament picture. LC will be the third place team, since Whitworth and Whitman can't match their record with only one game left to play. Assuming LC wins both their games this weekend, and UPS and GFU were to loose both games, there would be a 3 way tie for first place, but LC would loose the 3rd tie breaker to both UPS and GFU (Best conference road record), since they would have lost 3 road games to 2 each for GFU and UPS. so, 3rd place is settled, but where will they play on Wednesday?

If either GFU or UPS looses a game, and the other does not, the looser obviously gets the second seed. If both win, or loose equal number of games, I beilieve it still goes to the draw the ADs did last fall. We'll see what happens.

LogShow · February 20, 2008, 11:58:27 PM

Are you sure about that one?

UPS and G Fox have losses to different teams. Assuming both teams get the weekend sweep. UPS should have the tie-breaker. Because after head-to-head, it goes record against teams from the top of the standings down...UPS lost to Whitman while Fox lost to LC. LC is higher then Whitman...so UPS would get the tie breaker.