MBB: United East Conference

[wetsu215]

Here is your argument. Two years ago your boys lost to Morrisville, Hilbert and D'Youville in the same season.  Your school pop is 4 x the size, your budget is on average 3-5 x that of these schools.  The price of your school is half.  The SUNY schools in the NEAC have populations centralized in one or two majors so what you see is what you get.   

Your school couldn't compete on the national level either so instead of getting on par with the best teams in your conference you decide to pick on how unfair it is that these smaller schools beat their peer institutions for the #16 seed.

You are bragging about being average - nobody in the NEAC is proclaiming world beater status, just enjoying their experience.  Your current run as a contender in the sunyac will be done within a year or two.  If enjoying it while it lasts means ragging on small schools, go ahead but in two years you'll be back as the 5th best D3 school in Buffalo.

[wetsu215]

And the more I think about it - SUNY IT has regularly been a better team than FSU.  I see an edge in the series to IT since 02 and that is as far back as I can look.  Last year IT beat a cortland team pretty easily that beat  Fredonia during the year so even though I wont contend that the neac is a better conference than the sunyac, I would gather that SUNY IT is not a failed experiment in basketball.  And most of the schools in the NEAC didn't fail anywhere, this is their only opportunity for a conference and most of the teams recently added sports or took the leap from two-year schools.  Give them a couple of years Freddy.

I for one enjoy the "crossover games" between all conferences and just like the A10 compared to the ACC, it makes for a good story every now and then - and if you asked I bet most NEAC coaches would take your budget, facilities and student pop, plus the phys ed majors in the sunyac over a liberal arts, tech or agricultural school and a part time salary. 

So make sure FSU doesn't fall off of the map again this year, and don't forget the losses over the years to all of those teams you can't believe have their own conference. 

[wetsu215]

OK enough of the SUNYAC comparison - Fredonia seems to be lost in their own world taking on Davidson this week.

Early on with rosters out and a few games in the bank I thought I would make a run at the rankings:
1. SUNY IT - clear front-runner, I have D. Brown as league MVP after a strong tournament last year and a hot start
2. Wells - seems as though everyone is back, basically a two man show
3. Cobleskill - totally reloaded, playing a tough schedule early on they have some serious size for the league
4. Dallas - I don't know where they will be seeded in the tournament but they are a clear top 4 team to me
5. Keuka - usually a top team they have fallen off a bit, they have some talent though
6. Cazenovia - too young, no go-to scorin threat but a whole lot of size down low and they always grind it out. 
7. Abington - I have a strange feeling about the new psu school in town and they played Millersville (d2) fine and a Neumann squad tough that would be a top half contender in this conference
8. Berks - good team in conference last year can't break the top 7 scoring under 50 points a few times this year
8. Morrisville - their shot at rebranding the college seems to be a flop on the athletic side of things, they were much better off as a juco
9. Harrisburg - seems like the step child in the psu/neac family - they don't seem to have the same commitment as berks and abington

[magicman]

SUNYIT moves to 4-0 coming back from an early 21-4 deficit to down Hamilton 82-69. Hamilton hit 9 of their first 10 shots including 3 treys but Wildcats claw their way back with a 21-4 run of their own to tie the game at 25 with 7:00 left in the 1st half. The teams went into the break still tied at 36. Back and forth play for the 1st few minutes of the 2nd until Floyd Thorne layup gives the Wildcats a 41-39 lead they would never relinquish. Up 69-65 with 4 minutes to play Diloo Brown hits back to back 3 pointers sandwiched around a Hamilton miss to extend the lead to 10 with 2:14 left. SUNYIT hit 7 straight free throws down the stretch to close out the Continentals. Brown and David Golembiowski shared the game's high scoring honors with 24 pts each to lead the Wildcats. Brown who came up just short of a rare triple-double  added 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, and a block with only 2 turnovers. Golembiowski's stat line also included 7 boards, 5 assists, 2 blocks, and 2 steals, with no turnovers. Thorne chipped in with 16 pts on 4x4 fg, 1x1 3's, 7x10 ft.
Hamilton placed 3 players in double figures led by Dayne Harris with 15 pts and 8 rebounds. Pat Sullivan scored 14 pts and Jay Simpson added 10.

The Wildcats have now beaten a contender from all 3 of NY's D3 leagues. Would have been interesting to see would this team would have done in the SUNYAC this year. They'll take on a couple of SUNYAC Red Dragons with back to back games against Cortland and then Oneonta on Dec 18th and 21st.       

[magicman]

See where it was announced today that Diloo Brown was named NEAC Player of the week.  This was for the period ending Nov 23rd. His stats for the 2 games during that period were, 21.5 pts per game, 12.5 rebounds per game and 7.5 assists per game. Pretty good numbers that will usually get you the weekly award in any league . For the period ending Nov. 30th Brown has exceeded those figures in the 2 games that took place this past week. He averaged 25.0 pts per game 9.5 rebounds per game, and 9.0 assists per game. Sounds like he might get back to back weekly honors. I believe Dave Golembiowski was a D3hoops pre-season
All-American, (and he's having a pretty good season himself so far)  but Brown might end up with a post season award, if he continues to shine like he has. Saw both Brown and Golembiowski play 2 years ago when they were in the YAC and they were impressive then. Hope the Wildcats have a great year. 

[FreddyState]

Hey guys Im back...I dont really understand ur arguments because I wasnt saying that Fredonia has been better than SUNYIT i was just saying morrisville, abington, berks, cobleskill, harrisburg come on!!!  Thats like me picking the best team out of the sunyac...  Yea I know SUNYIT is good and Im not saying Fredonia has been amazing but I am saying the SUNYAC is much much better league and fredonia competes.  I guess everyone and every conference has to start somewhere good luck and hope SUNYIT does well this year

[wetsu215]

Man, the worst kind of poster is the one that only talks their team up and then when they struggle, disappear off of the board, it wastes everyones time.  Actually Freddy - you said you can't believe this league has an automatic bid because it is made up of teams that couldn't make it in other conferences.  There are only two teams in this league from another conference and one of them is SUNY IT...so I was pretty sure that was one of the teams you were criticizing so I thought I would point out that in comparison to SUNY IT in SUNYAC play, your team is actually the one that struggled in comparison over the years.  And I didn't only bring up SUNY IT, I also mentioned that your team has lost to "NEAC" schools regularly.    I don't have a team but I know about both conferences.  What if every year when you were losing to D'Youville and Medaille, that the SUNYAC decided that you were not good enough to be in their basketball conference.

As for Morrisville and Cobleskill, they didn't decide to go division III until they became powerful NJCAA teams and the transition was in line with their College's move to four year academic programs.  Wells is a pretty good team already and they have been around for what...3 years.  Who is to say that in a few years, Wells or Cobleskill do not also represent the NEAC well regionally.

Your comment totally got under my skin because 've heard it before - mostly from schools that could not finish better than 2nd place in their conference.  That if the NEAC didn't have an automatic bid, that the extra bid could go to a school from the much, much better conferences so I am happy to point out when each year, the top few NEAC teams would be playoff contenders in all conferences and regularly take down a few regionaly bid contenders each year.  This bid gives those schools a fighting chance in recruiting.  what is the big deal with having an automatic qualifier for these schools with lower budgets, populations and a much shorter history.  The weaker schools aren't winning the conference championship and receiving the auto anyway.

[FreddyState]

man it really got under my skin...haha.... talk about talking up a team or a conference wow....and ur right about the weaker schools arent winning the conference but the stronger teams are garunteed like 8 to 12 wins a year..im not gonna lie the first comment that I made about the neac was alittle inappropriate and I didnt really mean it the way it came out but ur replies have been just as inappropriate. 

ps.  Its a DISCUSSION board you are supposed to discuss lol... u must have "wasted" alot of time replying

all those teams that you say freddy loses too all the time are listed below hahaha

all time record against medaille 10-0 (never lost)
                                    vs. SUNYIT 24-14
                                    vs. Hilbert 10-2
                                    vs. D'Youville 4-2

[pride rock]

Penn State Harrisburg had a great weekend minus the outcome of the game today.  They looked good in both games and were able to pull it out against Cobleskill.  With the way they played vs IT today, they EASILY should have beaten them.  However, with some missed free throws and a couple of questionable coaching calls, they fell short in overtime.  I still think they will be a surprise team this year, and not so much the "step child" of the NEAC.

[wetsu215]

Well, agreed that I probably went a little too far trying to prove a point and in the end I probably lost some credibility.  I don't spend enough time posting to count it as wasted time though, this board is a lot of fun to read I probably shouldn't get in to banter...

So in the end, agree to disagree on having an automatic bid.  I think it is good for smaller conferences, just as in Division I.

[wetsu215]

Oh, and I am looking very wrong on that Harrisburg squad - a few freshman pick ups leading the way. 

So I may not only have been wrong, but should change tune about Harrisburg for years to come with 30-35 points a night coming from three freshman.

I will move them as well as Keuka up the list and in turn move Cobleskill and Caz down a few notches...in my book at least

[magicman]

The D3Hoops All Region Teams have just been released.

Kevin Grimmer of SUNYIT was named All East Region Coach of the Year.

Diloo Brown, senior guard from SUNYIT was named to the All East Region First Team.

David Golembiowski, junior center from SUNYIT was named to the All East Region First Team.

Darrell Bullock, senior guard from Wells College was named to the All East Region Second Team.

Juan Paulino, senior center from Wells College was named to the All East Region Second Team.

Congratulations to Coach Grimmer, and his SUNYIT team on making the NCAA's Sweet Sixteen, along with posting the best record in SUNYIT's history.

Here is a complete list of award winners from the East Region. Congratulations to all of these outstanding players.

Men's All-East Region Team
Players were nominated for these awards by the Sports Information Directors at the various schools. All SIDs in the region were given the opportunity to vote.

Player of the Year: Corey McAdam, Sr., Nazareth
Coach of the Year: Kevin Grimmer, SUNYIT
Rookie of the Year: Stefan Thompson, G, Hobart

First team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Corey McAdam Nazareth Sr. Fairport, N.Y.
G Diloo Brown SUNYIT Sr. Harlem, N.Y.
F Matt Pebole Hobart So. Little Silver, N.J.
F Phil Barera Ithaca Jr. Belmont, Mass. 
C David Golembiowski SUNYIT Jr. Barneveld, N.Y.

Second team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Chris Ruiz Plattsburgh State Jr. Washington Hts., N.Y.
G Darrell Bullock Wells Sr. Chicago, Ill.
F Errol Daniyan Plattsburgh State Jr. Coram, N.Y.
C Juan Paulino Wells Sr. Bronx, N.Y.
C Brian Beckford Oneonta State Sr. Brooklyn, N.Y.

   

[bballfan44]

Congrats to SUNY IT on there two big wins.     Also good to see that the NEAC got 4 of the 10 all region spots.   The NEAC might not be great but it is better then most people think

[Pat Coleman]

At the very least it has two decent teams and four pretty good players.

[magicman]

The National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) named their All-District and All-American teams today:

Here is the East Region All-District Teams:
*Denotes Player of the Year

First Team                                 Second Team
*Corey McAdam, Nazareth              Keith Jensen, NYU
Josh Sharlow, St. Lawrence               Diloo Brown, SUNYIT
Brian Beckford, Oneonta                    Phil Barera, Ithaca
Keith Hack, Medaille                          Matt Pebole, Hobart
Chris Ruiz, Plattsburg State                Matt Newman, St. John Fisher
Dave Golembiowski, SUNYIT
Coach of the Year: Kevin Grimmer – SUNYIT

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/2010D3All-America.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/2010D3All-District.pdf

All-Americans

1st Team
Tyler Sanborn, Guilford, 6-9, Senior, Center, Elkin, N.C.
Blake Schultz, Williams, 6-3, Senior, Guard/Forward, Atherton, Calif.
Ian Franks, Wooster, 6-4, Junior, Guard, Greenwich, Ohio
Dustin Mitchell, UW-Whitewater, 6-9, Senior, Forward/Center, Lac Du Flambeau, Wis.
Marcel Esonwune, York (NY), 6-6, Junior, Forward/Center, Lagos, Nigeria
Darnell Braswell, DeSales, 6-1, Senior, Guard, Allentown, Pa.
Corey McAdam, Nazareth, 6-1, Senior, Guard, Fairport, N.Y.
Steve Djurickovic, Carthage, 6-3, Junior, Guard, Pleasant Prairie, Wis.

2nd Team
Trey Drake, North Carolina Wesleyan, 5-8, Senior, Guard, Emporia, Va.
Noel Hollingsworth, MIT, 6-9, Sophomore, Forward, Salt Lake City, Utah
Kyle Meyer, Ohio Northern, 6-5, Senior, Forward, Columbus Grove, Ohio
Nate Montgomery, Whitworth, 6-8, Senior, Center, Sammamish, Wash.
Abdoulaye Ouedraogo, William Paterson, 6-8, Senior, Forward, Newark, N.J.
James McNally, Franklin & Marshall, 6-6, Junior, Forward, Bridgewater, N.J.
Josh Sharlow, St. Lawrence, 5-9, Senior, Guard, Norwood, N.Y.
John Hoch, Carroll, 5-10, Senior, Guard, Colgate, Wis.

3rd Team
Greg Hernandez, Maryville, 6-6, Senior, Center, Miami, Fla.
Adam Choice, Colby, 6-5, Senior, Forward, Newport, R.I.
Michael McClary, Olivet, 6-5, Junior, Center, Bellaire, Mich.
Tyler Nicolai, St. Thomas, 5-11, Junior, Guard, Minnetonka, Minn.
Richard Jean-Baptiste, Brooklyn, 6-4, Senior, Forward, Queens, N.Y.
Nick Brady, York (PA), 6-2, Senior, Guard, Hanover, Pa.
Brian Beckford, Oneonta, 6-9, Senior, Forward, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Sean Wallis, Washington University (St. Louis), 6-2, Graduate, Guard, Northbrook, Ill.

NABC selects All-Americans differently than D3hoops.  They pick one player from each region for each All-America team.  So the best player in each region is 1st team, 2nd best is 2nd team, and 3rd best is 3rd team.