MBB: Little East

Pat Coleman · October 28, 2012, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: ECSUalum on October 28, 2012, 01:10:28 PM
Here is how good the predictions were last year with repsect to 2011/12 Preseason poll vs Final poll
for ONLY the top 14 teams in the Final poll. You make the judgement on how good the preseason polls are!!!!
I say they are poor, or not much research put into developing the preseason poll
First poll should probably come out Jan 1st.

D3hoops.com men's Top 25, final
Through end of 2011-12 season: rank deviation between
preseason and final polls
# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev. -------------------------

1 UW-Whitewater (25) 29-4 625 8 1-28 = 27
2 Cabrini 31-2 600 5 2-14 = 12
3 Illinois Wesleyan 23-8 551 3-38 = 35
4 MIT 29-2 543 3 4-10 = 6
5 Virginia Wesleyan 27-4 489 6 5-1 = 4
6 Hope 27-2 469 1 6- 32 = 26
7 Franklin and Marshall 28-3 467 9 7- 17 = 10
8 Amherst 26-3 458 2 8- 4 = 4
9 Middlebury 26-4 431 4 9- 5 = 4
10 Whitworth 26-4 406 7 10-12 = 2
11 Wittenberg 24-7 340 22 11-11 = 0
12 Wooster 26-5 319 15 12-9 = 3
13 Wheaton (Ill.) 23-7 261 24 13-25 = 12
14 Eastern Connecticut 24-6 234 21 14-NR = 41 * NR in top 55
Average of 14 deviations = 13.3

I already responded to your duplicate post in the Top 25 room. Not going to repeat it here.

ECSUalum · October 28, 2012, 03:19:12 PM

Yes Pat, Thanks for the nick on the karma points. We will leave yours in tact

Pat Coleman · October 28, 2012, 04:46:53 PM

Quote from: ECSUalum on October 28, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
Yes Pat, Thanks for the nick on the karma points. We will leave yours in tact

Well, I see three people hitting your karma in the past 24 hours. You did post in a couple places. And yep, I was one of them.

ECSUalum · October 28, 2012, 04:56:36 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on October 28, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
Yes Pat, Thanks for the nick on the karma points. We will leave yours in tact

Well, I see three people hitting your karma in the past 24 hours. You did post in a couple places. And yep, I was one of them.

Thanks again Pat +1k

amh63 · October 29, 2012, 12:08:50 PM

ECSU....I support your fight for free speech and meaningful debate. +K for you Oops may have hit the incorrect button.....will correct it on Tuesday and Wednesday.

ECSUalum · October 29, 2012, 05:01:06 PM

amh63.

Thank You sir, your a gentleman and a scholar!! I ran into a buzz saw on this topic, and got nailed on the karma, but I guess you have to take the good with the bad on these sites, especially when you get contoversial, and critical of the powers to be and their "friends".

I guess everybody likes their D3 preseason polls

Good Luck to the Lord Jeffs on thier upcoming BB regular season and most likely the NCAA tournament

BTW As stated earlier, with the wonderful info on new recruits, transfers, other data you guys bring on the "CAC" thread, I believe you can make a very good case for the BB ranking of NESCAC programs.

LECFAN32 · October 31, 2012, 12:59:28 AM

ECSUalum,

read the top 25 page, seemed like you got ganged up on there a little bit.

I agree with your general premise, it is very difficult to not take transfers and freshman into account in a league like the lec, where literally every other year some of the best players in the league are transfers ie: mike parker at eastern, jake grimes ric, shelton at dartmouth, and jamaal caterina at usm, who had averaged double figures at two division 1 schools

from being a pretty good player in this league and also at one time a transfer, I can tell everyone that no matter if its the beginning or the end of the season these players are scouted and are a large concern for opposing teams. Just like at the division 1 level.

While I understand why there should be preseason polls to generate some excitement for a new season, I believe new impact players such as freshman or more then transfers should be weighted into the teams forcasted season.

7express · November 02, 2012, 03:45:48 PM

Western has a scrimmage tomorrow afternoon against either WNEC/Elms/or Springfield that I'm planing to go up too. If I do, I'll post my thoughts after the game.

ECSUalum · November 03, 2012, 02:32:08 PM

Quote from: LECFAN32 on October 31, 2012, 12:59:28 AM
ECSUalum,

read the top 25 page, seemed like you got ganged up on there a little bit.

I agree with your general premise, it is very difficult to not take transfers and freshman into account in a league like the lec, where literally every other year some of the best players in the league are transfers ie: mike parker at eastern, jake grimes ric, shelton at dartmouth, and jamaal caterina at usm, who had averaged double figures at two division 1 schools

from being a pretty good player in this league and also at one time a transfer, I can tell everyone that no matter if its the beginning or the end of the season these players are scouted and are a large concern for opposing teams. Just like at the division 1 level.

While I understand why there should be preseason polls to generate some excitement for a new season, I believe new impact players such as freshman or more then transfers should be weighted into the teams forcasted season.

LEC,

Thanks for your comments +1k

7express · November 03, 2012, 02:52:44 PM

Just got back from the Western Elms scrimmage. They played two 20 minute periods with the starters and key bench guys and another one 10 minute game with the end of bench guys. After the 20 minute periods the scores reset each time, so they played a total of 2 games in one 40 minute regulation time period. Elms won 2 of the 3: They won the first 20 minute period by like 16 or 18, and won the second 20 minute period by 2, while Western won the battle of the benches by 6.
They have some talent, mostly in the front court with Luis Briddter and LeRoy Myers I think. Have a lot of roster turnover from last year and were still in the process of going through final cuts, so not sure what the final will look like. There were 16 guys that suited up and I assume by the time the first game rolls around (November 17) that will probably be sliced to 12/13/14. Anyways, front court played well, back court really struggled. Still looking for a PG; Shawn Mobilio started, not sure who came in afterwards, but the PGs committed like 20 turnovers by themselves and when Elms employed a full court trap is when we really collapsed. Din't make smart decisions with the ball either. Attacking the basket in a 1-3 situation, shooting when your doubled team when you have a shooter in the corner, not looking up or sending someone deep when Elms played the fullcourt which lead to easy Elsm turnovers and fastbreak points. Help defense and transistion defense was pretty bad as well. The starters for Elms weren't big, but they got a lot of points in the paint because we weren't rotating. I know Russ Payton was probably happy to be in the court again against live competition after sitting out last year, but when he was in, he wouldn't look at passing the ball or running an offense, he would just shoot.
So to recap, have some talent here, but we have a lot of work to do before our first game @ F&M the 17th, especially playing a team, and taking care of the ball. I still like this team to finish 3rd or 4th in the conference, my prediction isn't changing based on a scrimmage.

ECSUalum · November 04, 2012, 07:03:29 AM

7,
Nice job with the update on WCSU, always well stated. If you go to Little East TV and click on the Warwick Mall Inside Rhode Island College Athletics, ( http://www.littleeast.tv/play/index.cfm?fuseaction=embstay&id=331E7A468C ) you will see a very good interview with Coach Walsh, (and BTW women's coach Kara Williamson), and his/her early view of the Anchormen basketball program for 2012/13. Specifically Coach Walsh's comments on the SOS he has (ie Brandies, MIT, etc. are scheduled), for his team this year. Great interview, great coach!!!

7, I believe its through yours/others comments and views and interviews with the coaches, as seen above that give us a better picture of what the 2012/13 pre season has to offer for D-III New England basketball.

ECSUalum · November 04, 2012, 04:28:13 PM

Eastern Has just listed its 2012/13 mens basketball roster:
http://www.easternct.edu/athletics/men_basketball/mbb-roster.htm

Of note are big men Darryl Best 6'-7' 245lb Center from Hamden Hall Day School CT http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/4MrrnZsFQ0O2fPGNl04vUg/basketball-winter-11-12/profile-darryl-best.htm

and Arkel Miles a 6'5" 250 lb Forward from Notre Dame HS Ansonia ( http://new.berecruited.com/athletes/792629)

Kevin Leumene a 6'-2", a 2nd Team All Fairfield County Interscholastic Athletic Conf. guard from from Trinity Catholic in Stamford seems to be a highly touted.

Here is an article from the New England recruiting report on ECSU's freshman class:
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/2571/Commitment-CatchUp.php

ECSUalum · November 05, 2012, 10:05:40 PM

Keene State College 2012/13 mens basketball roster is up: http://keeneowls.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/roster

They list two big men: Cheshire High School CT Freshman Nate Howard a 7'-0" Center/Forward
http://nehoopnews.com/news/1582/Cheshires-Howard-trying-to-right-the-ship.php

and 6"-10' forward Rashad Wright, 10 ppg, 34 blocks, 7.3 rebounds/game in 2011

Play-maker Ryan Martin will run the offense and most likely win a bunch of awards this year barring any injuries. 17.3 ppg, .918 FT% .512/.450 FG/3PT% in 2011

http://keeneowls.com/video/videos

7express · November 06, 2012, 01:25:13 AM

Unless Martin gets injured, or the team does really bad somehow, he's gonna win the player of the year going away in the conference, imo.

Western roster still not up, last year ours wasn't up until November 14, the day before the first women's game of the season, so I doubt it gets put up this week. Hopefully It'll be up by next Monday or Tuesday.

ECSUalum · November 06, 2012, 10:18:55 AM

Quote from: 7express on November 06, 2012, 01:25:13 AM
Unless Martin gets injured, or the team does really bad somehow, he's gonna win the player of the year going away in the conference, imo.

Western roster still not up, last year ours wasn't up until November 14, the day before the first women's game of the season, so I doubt it gets put up this week. Hopefully It'll be up by next Monday or Tuesday.

7,
Your thoughts on the LEC after all the rosters/schedules are published will be very interesting. Everyone looking forward to them!!