Bumblin' B's

[sac]

I seem to remember most of the early Pool B's getting in the tournament and promtly exiting with 45 point losses.

.......or maybe thats just how I want to remember them.  But it would seem to me the Pool B's of today are much "better" than the Pool B's of the early tournaments with the pool system.

[Ralph Turner]

I seem to remember most of the early Pool B's getting in the tournament and promtly exiting with 45 point losses.

.......or maybe thats just how I want to remember them.  But it would seem to me the Pool B's of today are much "better" than the Pool B's of the early tournaments with the pool system.

Wiliams 121, Cazenovia 49

Actually it may be both.  As the independents have moved into conferences, and conferences have merged to form Pool A conferences, the only remaining independents are the geographic orphans (Neb Wes and Chapman).  Pool B is also the temporary home of the conferences in transition (Landmark and Northern Athletics).

In other sports, the Pool B's are pretty tough.  In baseball, your Pool B's are primarily well-recognized conferences that do not have the requisite 7 members playing baseball to earn the Pool B.

Chapman, a baseball World Series contender, is a perennial.  The other 2007 Pool B's were from the UAA, the Capital AC and the Empire 8.

[Knightstalker]

I only asked because often those schools have a poor team.  Take for instance MSOE's older, less respectable, easternward, cousin, New Jersey Institute of Technology, who finished finished up the season 0-29.  

It is also either the first or second year in D-I for the basketball program.  They had to move to D-I due the the D-I status of their soccer and volleyball programs.  They were not grandfathered out of the "All sports must be the same division rule".  They were a very good D-III program about 10 years ago, and then were also a respectable D-II program.  Give them a chance and they will improve.

[LogShow]

It's a good thing LogShow wasn't around when Savannah College of Art and Design was kicking tail in the Pool B world.  The cognitive dissonance would have caused his head to explode. 

lol...no I can appreciate it those facts.  I was just making light of the situation, refering to the generalization that those "tech schools" are no good.  In fact, there is an NAIA 1 school out here in the west called Oregon Institute Technology.  And they have a great hoops team.

I only brought up NJIT because they were mentioned on sportscenter.

[smedindy]

NJIT will no doubt have to try to convince the American East or Northeast conference that they're worthy. Perhaps the Patriot League?

Anyway, it seems that in hoops (and football) B's are dwindling.

[David Collinge]

[...] the only remaining independents are the geographic orphans (Neb Wes and Chapman).  [...]

Check your maps; Chapman is not a geographic orphan.  Look for another reason why they are independent.

I was just making light of the situation, refering to the generalization that those "tech schools" are no good. 

Like Georgia Institute of Technology, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, and Texas Tech University?

[from downtown]

Is that a joke or does Milwaukee Engineering really have a basketball team

Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!

Historically mediocre is a nice way of putting it. The last 3 years have been the best three records in school history. There has only been an on-campus facility for 4 years now:


The technical school obviously limits who you can recruit (though we have a nice business school too) and our women's teams are unlikely to ever become powerhouses, but it can help at times too; for example, Austin Meier who chose MSOE over division 2 offers because of academic reasons. http://wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14197&sportID=1

[LogShow]

[...] the only remaining independents are the geographic orphans (Neb Wes and Chapman).  [...]

Check your maps; Chapman is not a geographic orphan.  Look for another reason why they are independent.

It would make sense for them to join the SCIAC...but don't think the SCIAC will have them.

I was just making light of the situation, refering to the generalization that those "tech schools" are no good. 

Like Georgia Institute of Technology, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, and Texas Tech University?
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Obviously there are exceptions, because that is exactly what an over generalization means...applying a term that only applies to only a few (ie. Cal Tech) to everyone of that particular group (all Tech schools).

[Just Bill]

Is that a joke or does Milwaukee Engineering really have a basketball team

MSOE's Kern Center is a top notch facility for Division III.  A real hidden gem:

http://www.msoe.edu/academics/outstanding_facilities/kerncenter/

[hickory_cornhusker]

Is that a joke or does Milwaukee Engineering really have a basketball team

Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!

Historically mediocre is a nice way of putting it. The last 3 years have been the best three records in school history. There has only been an on-campus facility for 4 years now:


The technical school obviously limits who you can recruit (though we have a nice business school too) and our women's teams are unlikely to ever become powerhouses, but it can help at times too; for example, Austin Meier who chose MSOE over division 2 offers because of academic reasons. http://wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14197&sportID=1

If I could I would give you karma for using a quote from a movie filmed in milwaukee when you were talking about milwaukee.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmmm 1 bid is slim pickings, but I think I would still like my chances 1 out of 12, if I had a decent team.  Atleast Dallas won't be making the tournament with a losing record anymore.

Dallas never did.

[pabegg]

Pool B update for Thursday night.

Aurora and Lakeland win their Northern SFs, which is terrrific news for all other Pool B contenders, finishing off Milwaukee Engineering and Marian. The conference final should have no Pool B implications as Lakeland is too far out to qualify and Aurora is already in.

So the Pool B selection group will probably be (after Maryville and Aurora):

Nebraska Wesleyan
Chapman
Landmark champion
Landmark runner-up

Two of these will make it. I would bet on the winners of the two tournaments making it (assuming that the Ind final is Chapman-Nebraska Wesleyan; if UCSC or Dallas wins, the second Landmark probably takes it).

[Gregory Sager]

I only asked because often those schools have a poor team.  Take for instance MSOE's older, less respectable, easternward, cousin, New Jersey Institute of Technology, who finished finished up the season 0-29.  

Apples and oranges. To build upon what Knightstalker posted, New Jersey Tech is a newly-minted D1 program; this was only the second year that NJIT has competed on that level. The Highlanders were a much more successful program when they were on the small-college level. They won 20 or more games six times in the '80s, and went to the D3 tournament five times in the '90s (making it as far as the Elite Eight in '95). NJIT didn't have as much success on the hardwood after the school moved to D2 for the 1997-98 season, but the Highlanders still managed to notch a 17-win season and an 18-win season in their nine years on that level.

It's not fair to compare NJIT to MSOE.

[Gregory Sager]

It's a good thing LogShow wasn't around when Savannah College of Art and Design was kicking tail in the Pool B world.  The cognitive dissonance would have caused his head to explode. 

I still check up on SCAD from time to time. The Bees (who were the most appropriately-nicknamed team in D3 when they were a prime subject of the predecessor version of this particular room) have not fared well since abandoning D3 and moving to the NAIA and the Florida Sun Conference for the 2004-05 school year. In those four seasons, the Bees have never managed to finish with a .500 record.

Cazzie Russell is still running the show there, though, and I would imagine that he still has the gentlemanly demeanor and the towel draped over his shoulder.

[mattgrubb]

scad did well in D3 b/c they were giving questionable scholarships, so if you base their D3 success based on the fact they were giving athletic scholarships, i would say that gives them an unfair advantage.  Now that everyone they play gives scholarships, i think their true colors are showing.