Bumblin' B's

Wydown Blvd. · June 10, 2008, 12:52:07 AM

I never said the article did mention the NAIA. But, it gives some interesting info.

Pat you seem grumpy at times...

Pat Coleman · June 10, 2008, 09:17:30 AM

Just trying to clarify for people who didn't read it -- the way you worded your response made it possible you were trying to say that.

wilburt · June 10, 2008, 03:16:17 PM

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 10, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Pat you seem grumpy at times...

I thought it was just constipation

wilburt · June 20, 2008, 07:48:24 AM

Here's the proof doubting Pat is looking for regarding Fisk basketball.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008806200384

Ralph Turner · June 20, 2008, 08:42:43 AM

Congratulations, Wilburt!

It seemed that someone was trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Accounting is not static. That $200,000 being spent on athletics was not just out of the Athletics Budget. Some of the money that was being spent on athletics was achieving missions in student life, alumni relations and student recruitment.

Wydown Blvd. · June 20, 2008, 09:08:14 AM

Good stuff.

wilburt · June 20, 2008, 12:45:23 PM

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 20, 2008, 09:08:14 AM
Good stuff.

You can say that again. Where's Pat?

Pat Coleman · June 20, 2008, 11:07:01 PM

If you look at my latest posts, I've not been on the site all day. I responded privately, however, though I see now you saw fit to be a smart-ass publicly. $:-\$

wilburt · June 22, 2008, 11:59:36 AM

Thanks for your private response Pat.

If my actions/comments were perceived by you as being a smart-ass then I publicly apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to get your response to the article which you did privately.

I hope this can be a new beginning between us Pat.

scottiedoug · July 18, 2008, 03:07:32 PM

Chill, men. Y'all miss the old GSAC board so much you want to start it up again?

I still think the real shame here is that Fisk has such trouble getting financial support equivalent to its historic, current, and future role in this screwy world.

Ralph Turner · November 21, 2008, 08:14:02 PM

Pool B schools in the Top 25...

#25 Elms (New England Collegiate Conference)
"#26" Maryville TN (Great South Athletic Conference)
"#49" Scranton (Landmark Conference)

Mr. Ypsi · November 21, 2008, 08:44:43 PM

Ralph, how many Bs are we looking at this year - or is that subject to change in February?

Ralph Turner · November 21, 2008, 09:20:32 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2008, 08:44:43 PM
Ralph, how many Bs are we looking at this year - or is that subject to change in February?

So far, I identify these Pool B schools.

Northeast Region: 8 -- New England Collegiate Conference -7 plus provisional Mitchell. NECC plus U Maine Presque Isle. (Year #1 in Pool B for the NECC as a conference.)

East Region: 0

Atlantic Region: 1 (USMMA from the Landmark Conference)

Mid-Atlantic Region: 7 (Landmark Conference schools. This should be the last year in Pool B for the Landmark Conference.)

South Region: 5 (GSAC-4 plus Rust). (UDallas is now an affiliate of the NEAC.)

Great Lakes: 1 (Finlandia)

Midwest Region: 0

West Region: 10 (UMAC-7 plus 4th-year provisional Presentation; Neb Wesleyan; UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs; Chapman.) (This is the first year as a new conference for the UMAC.)

"The Provisional Pipeline" contains 16 schools.

I count 32 schools in Pool B. That should mean 3 Pool B bids. In 2009-10, the Landmark goes Pool A. In 2010-11, the NECC and the UMAC go to Pool A. Only two provisional schools that become eligible in 2010-11 are not aligned with conferences. In the 2011-12 season, I count 13 schools in Pool B. (UMPI, Lancaster Bible, the GSAC-4, Rust, Finlandia, North Central MN, Neb Wes, Chapman, LaSierra, UC Santa Cruz) That should be one Pool B bid.

Ralph Turner · December 02, 2008, 06:31:45 PM

New Men's Basketball Handbook is out. It is dated November 25, 2008. I have tried to reconcile my prognostications with the Handbook below.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2008, 08:44:43 PM
Ralph, how many Bs are we looking at this year - or is that subject to change in February?

So far, I identify these Pool B schools.

Northeast Region: 8 -- New England Collegiate Conference -7 plus provisional Mitchell. NECC plus U Maine Presque Isle. (Year #1 in Pool B for the NECC as a conference.)

The Handbook counts 7 Pool B's and still has UMPI as provisional member of D-III as designated by the asterisk. The NAIA website has UMPI as a participant from the Sunrise Conference in the NAIA National tourney.

East Region: 0

Agrees

Atlantic Region: 1 (USMMA from the Landmark Conference)

Agrees

Mid-Atlantic Region: 7 (Landmark Conference schools. This should be the last year in Pool B for the Landmark Conference.)

Agrees

South Region: 5 (GSAC-4 plus Rust). (UDallas is now an affiliate of the NEAC.)

The Handbook lists 6 Pool B's but has not designated Spalding University as a provisional school. I agree with the other 5 as Pool B.

Great Lakes: 1 (Finlandia)

The Handbook shows that Finlandia has been moved to West Region! Great move!

Midwest Region: 0

Agrees

West Region: 10 (UMAC-7 plus 4th-year provisional Presentation; Neb Wesleyan; UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs; Chapman.) (This is the first year as a new conference for the UMAC.)

There are several differences in the West Region. The Handbook lists 13 schools.

CSU-East Bay is listed as participating in the NAIA tourney from the California Pacific Conference. Menlo from the same conference is listed as participating in the NAIA basketball tourney and designated by the "#" in the Handbook.

LaSierra is not designated as provisional member in the Handbook.

I think that the correct listing of the West Pool B's includes the UMAC-7 (BLC, Crown, MLC, UM-Morris, Northland, Northwestern MN and CSS) Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz, Chapman and Finlandia, which equals 11.

The access ratio is listed at 1 Pool B bid for every 9.30 participants in Pool B. If we round up, then that is 4 Pool B bids for 28 schools in Pool B or more. If we truncate, that means 3 Pool B bids for 28-38 participating schools in Pool B. The Handbook does not specify whether to round up or to truncate.

"The Provisional Pipeline" contains 16 schools.

I count 32 schools in Pool B. That should mean 3 Pool B bids. In 2009-10, the Landmark goes Pool A. In 2010-11, the NECC and the UMAC go to Pool A. Only two provisional schools that become eligible in 2010-11 are not aligned with conferences. In the 2010-11 season, I count 13 schools in Pool B. (UMPI, Lancaster Bible, the GSAC-4, Rust, Finlandia, North Central MN, Neb Wes, Chapman, LaSierra, UC Santa Cruz) That should be one Pool B bid.

Ralph Turner · December 07, 2008, 07:39:37 PM

Updated Handbook, 12/05/08

60 bids

39 Pool A bids
3 Pool B bids (Handbook mentions that the final number was "rounded down".)
18 Pool C bids.

(395 eligible teams give us 60 bids. This probably stays at this number for 1-2 years. Maryville MO moves to D-2 next year. Mitchell and Presentation should move to full membership in 2009-10. That would make 396 teams. 61 bids times 6.5 = 396.5 schools, needing 397 teams. The pipeline has 6 teams getting full membership in 2010-11. That would give 402 teams in 2010-11 for 61 bids. Five schools are in the provisional pipeline to be full members in 2011-12. That makes 407 schools, which is enough for 62 bids for the 2012 tourney.)