Bumblin' B's

[pabegg]

Bottom line is simple.

With their D3 schedule, Chapman needed to go 15-3 to be in contention. That's what they got.

Elms needed 20-4. They got 23-1.

Scranton needed 18.5-6.5, they've got 19.

So both Elms and Chapman needed to go .800 to be in contention. Elms beat that and is sitting pretty. Chapman didn't beat that.

[Boal]

Bottom line is simple.

With their D3 schedule, Chapman needed to go 15-3 to be in contention. That's what they got.

Elms needed 20-4. They got 23-1.

Scranton needed 18.5-6.5, they've got 19.

So both Elms and Chapman needed to go .800 to be in contention. Elms beat that and is sitting pretty. Chapman didn't beat that.

I haven't taken a math class in quite some time but I'm fairly certain that 15-3 is .833 (more than likely they'll be 17-3 with a .850 winning pct after this weekend) so they did beat the .800 you said they needed to.  And since Elms is 23-1 (.958) they clearly beat that as you stated.  But you put Elms as number 1, Scranton is slightly number 2, but you didn't mention Maryville or Susquehanna (the other two competing with Chapman).  Any response would be greatly appreciated pabegg since you're the resident guru according to D3Hoops. 8)

[Pat Coleman]

Against 20 games, they need to win 17 to not be totally eliminated from the conversation.

[pabegg]

Bottom line is simple.

With their D3 schedule, Chapman needed to go 15-3 to be in contention. That's what they got.

Elms needed 20-4. They got 23-1.

Scranton needed 18.5-6.5, they've got 19.

So both Elms and Chapman needed to go .800 to be in contention. Elms beat that and is sitting pretty. Chapman didn't beat that.

As the math guy, it's embarassing to get the math wrong. Both Chapman and Elms needed to go .833 (5 out of 6, not 4 out of 5). So Elms beat the target, Chapman met it.

Maryville needed 14 wins, which they got; I'm seeing Susquehanna as needing 17, so they're a little short at 16.

But my big point is that all of the teams except Elms were pretty much close to target. So everyone can make a case for a bid on more or less an equal basis (again, after Elms), although the Scranton/Susquehanna winner would by definition move up.


I haven't taken a math class in quite some time but I'm fairly certain that 15-3 is .833 (more than likely they'll be 17-3 with a .850 winning pct after this weekend) so they did beat the .800 you said they needed to.  And since Elms is 23-1 (.958) they clearly beat that as you stated.  But you put Elms as number 1, Scranton is slightly number 2, but you didn't mention Maryville or Susquehanna (the other two competing with Chapman).  Any response would be greatly appreciated pabegg since you're the resident guru according to D3Hoops. 8)

[scottiedoug]

I know this does not "count," but the Maryville team that lost all 6 of its games very early has not lost since they were 4 - 6 and at this point in the season would love another shot at Centre and Transy. They also have beaten 4 scholarship teams (3 NAIA and one D2).  It took a while for the several key freshmen to catch on.  If they get in as the "last" team, their opponent best not be too happy.

[Boal]

I know this does not "count," but the Maryville team that lost all 6 of its games very early has not lost since they were 4 - 6 and at this point in the season would love another shot at Centre and Transy. They also have beaten 4 scholarship teams (3 NAIA and one D2).  It took a while for the several key freshmen to catch on.  If they get in as the "last" team, their opponent best not be too happy.

You're right it doesn't count.  And the 6 losses they have are about on par with the 3 losses Chapman has (hence why they are fighting for the last spot).  Best case scenario for both Maryville and Chapman has to be Scranton beating Susquehanna this weekend.  That would seem to secure Scranton in that second spot and let Chapman and Maryville fight in the committees eyes while Susquehanna would be limping into the discussion just losing a game.

[Boal]

Chapman demolished both teams again (La Sierra and Santa Cruz) so now they are 17-3 in D3 and 24-3 overall.  I guess now they have to wait and see who wins between Scranton-Susquehanna and the results of Maryville TN. 

[scottiedoug]

It gets weirder and weirder.  Maryville earlier beat both Hampden-Sydney and Virginia Wesleyan, who today beat Roanoke and Randolph-Macon in the ODAC tournament.  Then DePauw lost.  All the losers were ranked in the South Region.  If Maryville wins tomorrow, they could wind up ranked in the region. 

[pabegg]

Elms crushed Becker, 105-76, removing Becker from the mix for Pool B.

[OxyBob]

Chapman demolished both teams again (La Sierra and Santa Cruz) so now they are 17-3 in D3 and 24-3 overall. 

Congratulations to Chapman for racking up 5 wins this season against 3-22 La Sierra. That's 21% of CU's 24 wins. How impressive.

OxyBob

[Boal]

Chapman demolished both teams again (La Sierra and Santa Cruz) so now they are 17-3 in D3 and 24-3 overall. 

Congratulations to Chapman for racking up 5 wins this season against 3-22 La Sierra. That's 21% of CU's 24 wins. How impressive.

OxyBob

Whoa!  I thought you said you weren't a Chapman hater Oxybob... I'm fairly sure that post wasn't too long ago...

OxyBob, in his last couple posts here, seems to be a Chapman hater and that's understandable considering this is the first year Oxy has lost to Chapman in a long time (7 years or so I believe).  The fact that Chapman will go 17-3 and undefeated against SCAIC teams is a statement in and of itself. 

God almighty, where do people come up with their stuff? I'm not a "Chapman hater" by any means, and I am pretty sure I can handle Chapman beating Oxy in a basketball game. I think Mike Bokosky is a good coach and he's had some good teams. One of his forwards, Justin Riley, is one of my favorite players to watch. But this season Chapman has played a really bad schedule, and CU's numbers don't merit a playoff berth. Sorry if you or oldchap don't like hearing it. Chapman beat Claremont (which only has an OWP of .468) in its first game back in November, and since then the Panthers played one really good team -- Whitworth -- and lost. Otherwise CU played no one and beat no one. Insofar as the SCIAC, they shouldn't brag too much about beating 6-19 La Verne twice, 10-15 Redlands twice, 1-24 Caltech, and 11-14 Oxy. Yes, Chapman did beat Whittier, which is 16-9. There are only 10 teams in D-III with OWPs under .400, and Chapman (.355) and Whittier (.390) are two of them, so best keep that Chapman win over Whittier quiet.

If Chapman gets in the playoffs with a .355 OWP, then all the endless talk around here about playing a competitive schedule is out the window, and next year Chapman should schedule La Sierra 7 or 8 times instead of only 4.

OxyBob

Oh yeah I found it.  There it is.  It is one thing to be for a team and argue their case, but it is completely different to come in here and hate on a team for personal reasons.  And by the way Chapman beat teams that finished first and second in the SCIAC regardless of their winning pct.  That is their local guaranteed competition and they won, every single time.

[oldchap]

Chapman demolished both teams again (La Sierra and Santa Cruz) so now they are 17-3 in D3 and 24-3 overall. 

Congratulations to Chapman for racking up 5 wins this season against 3-22 La Sierra. That's 21% of CU's 24 wins. How impressive.

OxyBob

I second Boal on this one, OB. You made some good rational and objective points earlier, but now your sarcasms are getting kind of old. I think everyone got your point. Are you bored because your team is at the beach right now?

[scottiedoug]

Maryville beat Huntingdon 101  - 89.

[Boal]

Maryville beat Huntingdon 101  - 89.

Thanks for the update scottiedoug.  Now Maryville and Chapman are waiting on the winner of the Scranton-Susquehanna game.  For their sake lets hope that Scranton wins, secures the second pool B bid, and basically pushes Susquehanna out of the picture.  A two horse race is much easier to win than a three horse.

[scottiedoug]

yep