Bumblin' B's

[smcmfan]

what is a pool b?

[Ralph Turner]

what is a pool b?

FAQ

[dahlby]

Yes, Chapman does have a real scheduling problem . I am surprised that their OWP and OOWP are as high as they are, especially since they played UCSC and La Sierra as often as they did.  If you want to further slam,  talk about another eight games they played.....oops, can't talk about that, as they were 8-0 against the SCIAC . Maybe their % should be dropped as well. I see where Occy played Chapman only once, but had room for a couple of games against L.S.,Cal Lu couldn't fit in Chapman but could schedule L.S. twice, while Pomona was busy playing Hope and L.S. Yep, gotta play those tough NAIA teams and newcomer L.S. to keep those OWP and OOWP high and not schedule that weak Chapman team. Maybe Oxy Bob could do a little homework and find out why Chapman has a scheduling problem with the SCIAC teams. I don't remember who said it, but someone once called the Chapman team the SCIAC co-champs in baseball or something. Does that mean that they are the SCIAC champs for basketball and get that sought after automatic bid that the SCIAC so much deserves because it is such a tough conference and schedules all the really tough teams.

I do not comment much on these D3 boards, but really enjoy the factual opinions that are made from the majority of  the posters. The "I THINKS" without the proper back up knowledge is playground, and appears to me that it is just trying to get to someone's nerves.

Good luck to the SCIAC champ, whoever it will be, in the national tourney. Represent So Cal well, we are pulling for you.

Anyone notice spring practice is almost here for football?

[Boal]

Scranton over Susquehanna in OT 80-75.  Great game on the radio.  Great job by the radio announcers too. 

Probable picks now for Pool B (in my limited knowledge)

1) Elms
2) Scranton
3) Chapman, Maryville TN, and a limping Susquehanna

[Boal]

Elms crushed Becker, 105-76, removing Becker from the mix for Pool B.

Scranton over Susquehanna in OT 80-75.  Great game on the radio.  Great job by the radio announcers too. 

Probable picks now for Pool B (in my limited knowledge)

1) Elms
2) Scranton
3) Chapman, Maryville TN, and a limping Susquehanna

I figured I'd ask for our expert pabegg's advice on his projections now that Maryville has won their game this weekend, Chapman won theirs, and Scranton now defeated Susquehanna.  My post just above this may have been too presumptuous so I'm looking for some back up pabegg 

[pabegg]

Scranton over Susquehanna in OT 80-75.  Great game on the radio.  Great job by the radio announcers too. 

Probable picks now for Pool B (in my limited knowledge)

1) Elms
2) Scranton
3) Chapman, Maryville TN, and a limping Susquehanna

For the moment, I'd agree. I'd do one more run on the numbers later but I can't see any obvious distinction among the last three.

[Boal]

Scranton over Susquehanna in OT 80-75.  Great game on the radio.  Great job by the radio announcers too. 

Probable picks now for Pool B (in my limited knowledge)

1) Elms
2) Scranton
3) Chapman, Maryville TN, and a limping Susquehanna

For the moment, I'd agree. I'd do one more run on the numbers later but I can't see any obvious distinction among the last three.

Great thanks for the quick response pabegg.  Now I'm not too familiar with the traveling rules/restrictions for the opening rounds of the tournament but I have heard that this does play some role in selection.  Can anyone clarify how this works for me? 

For example an earlier post, I believe by pabegg, said something to the effect of a possible match-up of Chapman vs Puget Sound and Claremont vs Whitworth where both SoCal teams would fly up to Washington for one reason or another.  It seems like for financial reasons it would make better sense to have the SoCal teams play each other and the Washington teams play one another in this hypothetical situation. 

So again any clarification on how the locale of the teams plays into selection and match-ups would be greatly appreciated.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Boal,

Supposedly, at least, geography does not enter in to selection, only placement.

[Gregory Sager]

Great thanks for the quick response pabegg.  Now I'm not too familiar with the traveling rules/restrictions for the opening rounds of the tournament but I have heard that this does play some role in selection.  Can anyone clarify how this works for me? 

For example an earlier post, I believe by pabegg, said something to the effect of a possible match-up of Chapman vs Puget Sound and Claremont vs Whitworth where both SoCal teams would fly up to Washington for one reason or another.  It seems like for financial reasons it would make better sense to have the SoCal teams play each other and the Washington teams play one another in this hypothetical situation. 

So again any clarification on how the locale of the teams plays into selection and match-ups would be greatly appreciated.

Location does not play a role in selection. A team is judged worthy or unworthy of a tournament bid based upon how it did on the hardwood, not upon its zip code.

There are no two-team matchups in the opening weekend of the tourney. That is to say, you won't have Team A playing at Team B in the opening round, while Team C plays at Team D, with the winners squaring off on Saturday in the gym of the higher seed. The first two rounds are conducted as either four-team pods (of which there are twelve) or three-team pods (of which there are four).

In the four-team pods, all four teams play in one gym on Friday night, with the #3 and #2 teams squaring off in the opener and the #4 and #1 teams playing in the nightcap, in the #1 team's home gym. The two winners play on Saturday in the #1 team's gym, even if the #1 team is upset by the #4 team on Friday.

In the three-team pod, #3 plays #2 in the #2 team's gym on Thursday, with the winner traveling to play #1 in the #1 team's gym on Saturday.

Because of the unique travel problems posed by the isolation of the two West Coast leagues, it's possible that the SCIAC and NWC will be part of a three-team pod, even if the #1 team in the pod (which will undoubtedly be Puget Sound) would not normally be worthy of a first-round bye. That's the concession to economics that the D3 tourney has to make every year: reduce airline expenditures wherever possible.

[Boal]

Great information to know Greg thanks.  I wonder if the tournament would turn this west coast pod into a "4-teamer" if Chapman does win that last bid.  I wonder if Pomona wins (in the next couple of hours) and Claremont grabs an at large bid and then Whitworth wins and Puget Sound grabs an at large bid... What would happen to Chapman in the selection committees eyes?  What if they deemed Chapman to be the deserving team of that last pool B bid, but they already have 4 teams in the West (2 from tournament wins and 2 at large bids) would Chapman go somewhere else to play?  Would they leave Chapman out and give another team the last bid because they saw the other West teams as more fit than Chapman? 

[oldchap]

Great information to know Greg thanks.  I wonder if the tournament would turn this west coast pod into a "4-teamer" if Chapman does win that last bid.  I wonder if Pomona wins (in the next couple of hours) and Claremont grabs an at large bid and then Whitworth wins and Puget Sound grabs an at large bid... What would happen to Chapman in the selection committees eyes?  What if they deemed Chapman to be the deserving team of that last pool B bid, but they already have 4 teams in the West (2 from tournament wins and 2 at large bids) would Chapman go somewhere else to play?  Would they leave Chapman out and give another team the last bid because they saw the other West teams as more fit than Chapman? 

As I understand from previous posts, there will be no pool C at large bid for SCIAC teams. If Pomona wins, they go to the tournament as a Pool A pick. CMS doesn't have a strong enough schedule and record to compete for an Pool C bid. They would also probably drop off Regional rankings, which would probably kill Chapman's chances at that point anyway. Trust me, I'm rooting for CMS right now, and it seems they're doing OK so far (34-25 10:45 left in the 2nd)

[Gregory Sager]

Great information to know Greg thanks.  I wonder if the tournament would turn this west coast pod into a "4-teamer" if Chapman does win that last bid.

That would depend upon the outcome of the NWC tournament championship game currently in progress.

I wonder if Pomona wins (in the next couple of hours) and Claremont grabs an at large bid

That won't happen. Neither CMS nor PP will get a Pool C bid. It's win-or-die time in the SCIAC tourney championship game, since that league will only have one representative in the tournament.

and then Whitworth wins and Puget Sound grabs an at large bid... What would happen to Chapman in the selection committees eyes?  What if they deemed Chapman to be the deserving team of that last pool B bid, but they already have 4 teams in the West (2 from tournament wins and 2 at large bids) would Chapman go somewhere else to play?  Would they leave Chapman out and give another team the last bid because they saw the other West teams as more fit than Chapman?

As I said in my last post, Boal, location has nothing to do with selection. Chapman will not be denied a bid if it earns one, simply because it's an awkward travel fit. I'll say it again: Bids are determined by what a team does on the hardwood, not by the team's zip code.

There won't be more than four West Coast teams in the tournament. There could be three. And there may only be two -- Puget Sound and the SCIAC rep.

[scottiedoug]

Maryville has won 16 straight, after losing close games (2 on the road) to Centre (still playing for the SCAC title) and Transylvania (going to the tournament) and they beat VA Wesleyan (playing for the ODAC crown) and Averett (USA South champs).   Chapman beat and played who?  Susquehanna has 7 in-region losses.

I know that all this matters little in the criteria analysis, but if they want a team on a roll to represent the Bumblers well, Maryville is a nice fit.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It does look a lot better for Maryville today than it did yesterday.

[ronk]

Great information to know Greg thanks.  I wonder if the tournament would turn this west coast pod into a "4-teamer" if Chapman does win that last bid.  I wonder if Pomona wins (in the next couple of hours) and Claremont grabs an at large bid and then Whitworth wins and Puget Sound grabs an at large bid... What would happen to Chapman in the selection committees eyes?  What if they deemed Chapman to be the deserving team of that last pool B bid, but they already have 4 teams in the West (2 from tournament wins and 2 at large bids) would Chapman go somewhere else to play?  Would they leave Chapman out and give another team the last bid because they saw the other West teams as more fit than Chapman? 

    According to the handbook, Pool B selections are made before Pool C so selection for Chapman would not be affected by at-large(Pool C) selections.