Bumblin' B's

[oldchap]

Whitworth wins over UPS. Claremont over Pomona.

I would think that both results would help Chapman.

[Ralph Turner]

Whitworth wins over UPS. Claremont over Pomona.

I would think that both results would help Chapman.

Yes, but Maryville has a "result" against the HCAC winner Transylvania, two "results" versus Centre which is in the SCAC finals, a win over Averett (the USA South Winner and a team that might be in the final unpublished regional rankings), and a win over VWC which is in the ODAC finals.

Maryville's resume has just gotten very impressive!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MVLT/mens/2009

[Pat Coleman]

Last year the bracket's geography would've been helped by the committee putting Chapman in instead of Moravian. Seeing as the committee did not do that last year, I think it's fair to say that there is no way geography is a part of the selection process.

[Boal]

Maryville has won 16 straight, after losing close games (2 on the road) to Centre (still playing for the SCAC title) and Transylvania (going to the tournament) and they beat VA Wesleyan (playing for the ODAC crown) and Averett (USA South champs).   Chapman beat and played who?  Susquehanna has 7 in-region losses.

I know that all this matters little in the criteria analysis, but if they want a team on a roll to represent the Bumblers well, Maryville is a nice fit.

16 straight is a great accomplishment, but Chapman won 16 straight two years ago and didn't even get a second look because of some key losses early in the season which Maryville also seems to have.  

Chapman this year has won 10 in a row and 20 out of their last 21.  Maryville's last 21 games leaves them with a record of 17-4 including a blow out loss to sub-par IND school Rust.  

As for who Chapman has beat and played... They beat Claremont who is the SCIAC champion and going to the tournament, they beat every single other SCIAC team they played with no exceptions, and they beat everyone they were supposed to beat with 2 exceptions in very, very close games.

Their regionally ranked opponents were Claremont and Whitworth.  Chapman beat Claremont and lost to Whitworth.  And on that note, Whitworth just won the NWC defeating previously undefeated (in D3) Puget Sound...

Chapman's one regional loss was to a team who just won the NWC by beating an undefeated team... I'd say that's a quality loss if there is such a thing.

[oldchap]

Yes, but Maryville has a "result" against the HCAC winner Transylvania, two "results" versus Centre which is in the SCAC finals, a win over Averett (the USA South Winner and a team that might be in the final unpublished regional rankings), and a win over VWC which is in the ODAC finals.

Maryville's resume has just gotten very impressive!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MVLT/mens/2009

I know it's somewhat irrelevant, but according to the Massey Ratings, Chapman currently (2/27) stands at 30 while Maryville stands at 77.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6

[Boal]

Whitworth wins over UPS. Claremont over Pomona.

I would think that both results would help Chapman.

Yes, but Maryville has a "result" against the HCAC winner Transylvania, two "results" versus Centre which is in the SCAC finals, a win over Averett (the USA South Winner and a team that might be in the final unpublished regional rankings), and a win over VWC which is in the ODAC finals.

Maryville's resume has just gotten very impressive!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MVLT/mens/2009

See I'm very skeptical about this "results" thing going around.  You shouldn't get any recognition for playing and losing to a team.  And I think the committee agrees with me on this issue because last year Chapman had a "result" against  23-0 Plattsburg, a "result" against regionally ranked Oxy, two "results" against Cal Lu, a "result" against regionally ranked Whitworth and a "result" against PomonaPitzer.  All of these "results" gave Chapman a 2-4 record against regionally ranked opponents...  No games were blow outs so that's not an excuse as a 'bad' or 'poor' result. Yet Chapman missed the playoffs last year...

2-4 last year for Chapman sounds a lot better than 1-4 for Maryville this year.  And I think the selection committee is only impressed if you win those games, not that you played them closely.

[Gregory Sager]

Whitworth wins over UPS. Claremont over Pomona.

I would think that both results would help Chapman.

Yes, but Maryville has a "result" against the HCAC winner Transylvania, two "results" versus Centre which is in the SCAC finals, a win over Averett (the USA South Winner and a team that might be in the final unpublished regional rankings), and a win over VWC which is in the ODAC finals.

Maryville's resume has just gotten very impressive!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MVLT/mens/2009

See I'm very skeptical about this "results" thing going around.  You shouldn't get any recognition for playing and losing to a team.  And I think the committee agrees with me on this issue because last year Chapman had a "result" against  23-0 Plattsburg, a "result" against regionally ranked Oxy, two "results" against Cal Lu, a "result" against regionally ranked Whitworth and a "result" against PomonaPitzer.  All of these "results" gave Chapman a 2-4 record against regionally ranked opponents...  No games were blow outs so that's not an excuse as a 'bad' or 'poor' result. Yet Chapman missed the playoffs last year...

2-4 last year for Chapman sounds a lot better than 1-4 for Maryville this year.  And I think the selection committee is only impressed if you win those games, not that you played them closely.

The Chapman vs. Plattsburgh State game was irrelevant last season, since the two schools are not in the same region.

[Boal]

Whitworth wins over UPS. Claremont over Pomona.

I would think that both results would help Chapman.

Yes, but Maryville has a "result" against the HCAC winner Transylvania, two "results" versus Centre which is in the SCAC finals, a win over Averett (the USA South Winner and a team that might be in the final unpublished regional rankings), and a win over VWC which is in the ODAC finals.

Maryville's resume has just gotten very impressive!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MVLT/mens/2009

See I'm very skeptical about this "results" thing going around.  You shouldn't get any recognition for playing and losing to a team.  And I think the committee agrees with me on this issue because last year Chapman had a "result" against  23-0 Plattsburg, a "result" against regionally ranked Oxy, two "results" against Cal Lu, a "result" against regionally ranked Whitworth and a "result" against PomonaPitzer.  All of these "results" gave Chapman a 2-4 record against regionally ranked opponents...  No games were blow outs so that's not an excuse as a 'bad' or 'poor' result. Yet Chapman missed the playoffs last year...

2-4 last year for Chapman sounds a lot better than 1-4 for Maryville this year.  And I think the selection committee is only impressed if you win those games, not that you played them closely.

The Chapman vs. Plattsburgh State game was irrelevant last season, since the two schools are not in the same region.

Ok I'm sorry, I guess they were 2-3 against regionally ranked teams in their region.  That would prove my case even further though, 2-3 is much better than a possible 1-4.

[Pat Coleman]

Last year isn't this year, either.

[Boal]

Last year isn't this year, either.

Also a great point.  2-3 last year might not have been good enough (obviously in the selection committees eyes it wasn't), and possibly 1-4 this year is.

But I don't see how 1-4 this year can be even remotely close to Chapman's 1-1 against Claremont and Whitworth (who just beat previously undefeated Puget Sound).

[Ralph Turner]

The language results on the front end encourages coaches to schedule hard games.

It is much easier to see in baseball where there are frequently three-game series and DH's.  A coach that has a 28-10 regional record but is 5-9 versus regionally ranked teams has given the committee more information than a coach who scheduled safely and went 35-4, but was only 2-1 versus regionally ranked opponents.

[Pat Coleman]

Boal, once again, the handbook does not say "winning percentage against regionally ranked teams," it says "results against regionally ranked teams."

Tis better to have played and lost than never to have played at all.

[Boal]

Boal, once again, the handbook does not say "winning percentage against regionally ranked teams," it says "results against regionally ranked teams."

Tis better to have played and lost than never to have played at all.

I know and I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but that can't possibly mean what you guys are implying it means.  If that were the case every team in America would try to schedule the top 25 teams in their region and roll the dice.  There is no way that a team should get in with a .500 record even if their SOS is number 1.  If you can't win the majority of your games no matter who you play you don't deserve to be going to the playoffs.  Am I all alone on this side of the argument?

[Greek Tragedy]

Are we guessing the 3 Pool Bs are:

Scranton from the Landmark
Maryville (TN) from GSAC
Chapman (independent)

[Pat Coleman]

  There is no way that a team should get in with a .500 record even if their SOS is number 1.  If you can't win the majority of your games no matter who you play you don't deserve to be going to the playoffs.  Am I all alone on this side of the argument?

You're twisting the argument beyond all recognition.