Bumblin' B's

[mattgrubb]

hoopsfan,
i see your point, if it is not life or death why count it, the 3rd place games would be death or death

Your point proves mine that Randy Lambert was cut from the same mold as Chuck Norris

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Your point proves mine that Randy Lambert was cut from the same mold as Chuck Norris

I'm not sure what that means, but you have positive karma and picture of Emelio Estevez, so I'm going to go out on a limb and agree.

[Knightstalker]

To win a third place game wouldn't a team have already won a game before that?  Or did it start out with 32 teams with eight regionals and every regional had a consolation game?

[Pat Coleman]

Or did it start out with 32 teams with eight regionals and every regional had a consolation game?

Yep, that's it.

FWIW, Hoops Fan, I don't count third-place games of any stripe in the NCAA Tournament either.

[scottiedoug]

Hoops Fan:  It is always safe and sensible to agree with Murvul fans and posters!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Or did it start out with 32 teams with eight regionals and every regional had a consolation game?

Yep, that's it.

FWIW, Hoops Fan, I don't count third-place games of any stripe in the NCAA Tournament either.

Ha Ha.  Vindication!  Although, you are aware Pat, being seen in agreement with me right now is going to cost you big time in d3hoops karma (even if it provides you truckloads of real karma).

[Gregory Sager]

Or did it start out with 32 teams with eight regionals and every regional had a consolation game?

Yep, that's it.

FWIW, Hoops Fan, I don't count third-place games of any stripe in the NCAA Tournament either.

Ha Ha.  Vindication!  Although, you are aware Pat, being seen in agreement with me right now is going to cost you big time in d3hoops karma (even if it provides you truckloads of real karma).

Pat's powers are lofty and prodigious, but even he doesn't outrank the NCAA.  The games are in the record book, so they count. Not just as game results, either; there are D3 tournament records that're derived from third-place games as well. F'rinstance, the single-game scoring record belongs to Gerald Reece of William Penn, who scored 49 in a regional third-place game against North Park in 1981.

Ok, one more.

First time tourney winners from this year:

Farmingdale
Lincoln
Norwich
Stout
Utica
Villa Julie

Congratulations to all.

There was likely to be a bumper crop of teams picking up their first win in this year's tourney, since twelve schools made their D3 tourney debut this year -- the most since thirteen newbies appeared in the 2000 field. Twelve's a very large number of new participants, considering the fact that the tourney is now in its 32nd year. The new blood moving into the division has certainly helped keep the list of tourney participants from always being the same-old same-old, but at least two of the schools on your list (Utica and Norwich) have been D3 for eons. In fact, Norwich first made the tourney field back in 1984.

There's only been one year that the D3 tourney hasn't seen even one new participant, 1999. The most new teams that have appeared in the tournament (omitting the debut year of 1975, of course) is 1978, when 17 new teams made the tourney field. In 1995 and 1996, fourteen new teams apiece made the field. Of course, those were two of the three years in which D3 fielded a 64-team bracket.

For the record, here's this year's list of newbies:

SUNY-Farmingdale
UW-LaCrosse
Wisconsin Lutheran
Carroll
Lincoln
Messiah
Utica
Gordon
UW-Stout
Carleton
Villa Julie
Lake Erie

[Gregory Sager]

MOST D3 TOURNEY APPEARANCES W/O A WIN:
Aurora -- 4
Endicott -- 4
York NY -- 4
Colby-Sawyer -- 3
Defiance -- 3
Gettysburg -- 3
Lasell -- 3
Maryville MO -- 3
Western New England -- 3
- 16 tied with 2 -

MOST D3 TOURNEY GAMES W/O A WIN:
Aurora  -- 0-4
Endicott -- 0-4
Lynchburg -- 0-4
Manhattanville  -- 0-4
York NY -- 0-4
Carnegie Mellon -- 0-3
Colby-Sawyer -- 0-3
Defiance -- 0-3
Gettysburg -- 0-3
Lasell -- 0-3
Maryville MO -- 0-3
Westfield State -- 0-3
Western New England -- 0-3
- 12 tied at 0-2 -

[dewcrew88]

There was likely to be a bumper crop of teams picking up their first win in this year's tourney, since twelve schools made their D3 tourney debut this year -- the most since thirteen newbies appeared in the 2000 field. Twelve's a very large number of new participants, considering the fact that the tourney is now in its 32nd year. The new blood moving into the division has certainly helped keep the list of tourney participants from always being the same-old same-old, but at least two of the schools on your list (Utica and Norwich) have been D3 for eons. In fact, Norwich first made the tourney field back in 1984.

There's only been one year that the D3 tourney hasn't seen even one new participant, 1999. The most new teams that have appeared in the tournament (omitting the debut year of 1975, of course) is 1978, when 17 new teams made the tourney field. In 1995 and 1996, fourteen new teams apiece made the field. Of course, those were two of the three years in which D3 fielded a 64-team bracket.

For the record, here's this year's list of newbies:

SUNY-Farmingdale
UW-LaCrosse
Wisconsin Lutheran
Carroll
Lincoln
Messiah
Utica
Gordon
UW-Stout
Carleton
Villa Julie
Lake Erie

Utica was actually a Division I program for a while back in the 1980s. Larry Costello, a coach who led the Bucks for a few seasons, was UC's coach at that time... I think we almost beat Syracuse back then 

[Gregory Sager]

Utica was actually a Division I program for a while back in the 1980s. Larry Costello, a coach who led the Bucks for a few seasons, was UC's coach at that time... I think we almost beat Syracuse back then 

Yeah, I remember that era. Utica began as a D3 school in the division's early years, but moved to D1 in 1980 when Costello came on board. He retired after the 1987 season, when Utica announced that it was going back to D3. Good decision, since Costello only managed one winning season. His record at Utica (and, thus, Utica's final D1 record) was only 77-106.

Costello was a native central New Yorker, born in the Syracuse suburb of Minoa. He played for Niagara University in Niagara Falls (better known now as Calvin Murphy's alma mater) and the Syracuse Nats were one of the NBA teams for which he played. He was one of the last players in the NBA to use the two-handed set shot.

The most interesting fact about Costello is that Niagara retired his uniform number, but it's not likely that the Purple Eagles will ever need it, anyway. Why? Because Costello wore #69. He adopted that number after he played 69 minutes and 40 seconds of a possible 70 minutes in a six-overtime victory over Siena in 1953. Now that's what I call a workout!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

MOST D3 TOURNEY GAMES W/O A WIN:
Washington & Lee -- 0-6

Washington & Lee won their first round game back in 1978.

[Gregory Sager]

Right you are. Dunno how I could've missed that. I'll correct the list.

My apologies to the Generals.

[Titan Q]

MOST D3 TOURNEY APPEARANCES W/O A WIN:
Aurora -- 4
Endicott -- 4
York NY -- 4
Colby-Sawyer -- 3
Defiance -- 3
Gettysburg -- 3
Lasell -- 3
Maryville MO -- 3
Western New England -- 3
- 16 tied with 2 -

MOST D3 TOURNEY GAMES W/O A WIN:
Aurora  -- 0-4
Endicott -- 0-4
Lynchburg -- 0-4
Manhattanville  -- 0-4
York NY -- 0-4
Carnegie Mellon -- 0-3
Colby-Sawyer -- 0-3
Defiance -- 0-3
Gettysburg -- 0-3
Lasell -- 0-3
Maryville MO -- 0-3
Westfield State -- 0-3
Western New England -- 0-3
- 12 tied at 0-2 -

Aurora won @ Trinity (Tx) in 2003...

http://www.d3hoops.com/story.php?story=18181

[lilphil]

Sager,

Aurora is actually 1- 4.

Lost at Wabash 1998
Lost at Wash U 2001
Won at Trinity Texas in 2003.
Lost at Occidental 2003
Lost at Home vs Calvin 2005

[Gregory Sager]

Man, my recordkeeping has some holes in it. Thanks for pointing those out,   folks.