Bumblin' B's

[Ralph Turner]

Ugly loss by Chapman to UDallas at UCSC last night, 59-62! Great win for UDallas, tho'.

IMHO, Chapman needed the strong winning percentage to help their position in the eyes of the committee especially to outweigh the lack of quality in-region foes.  Chapman is now 11-3 (in-region) with no score on the LaSierra game from Jan 23rd or the UCSC game from later today.

Chapman 81 UCSC 71 (Chapman 12-4 13-3 in region --.813)

Elms is still rolling at 15-1 overall/14-1 in-region.

NWC(MN) 80 Presentation 66

NWC(MN) 66, UMinn-Morris 53

In the Landmark, Merchant Marine, Catholic, Susquehanna and Scranton are fighting it out!

EDIT: Thanks for correcting the Chapman totals, elfinley.  +1! 

[elfinley]

That was a ugly loss, but they rebounded to beat UCSC. Wanna talk about ugly losses, UDallas lost to La Sierra today. That win for LSU cant help anyone I imagine, Chapman, UD, anyone I think.

Chapman is 15-3, 13-3 in region

[OxyBob]

That was a ugly loss, but they rebounded to beat UCSC. Wanna talk about ugly losses, UDallas lost to La Sierra today. That win for LSU cant help anyone I imagine, Chapman, UD, anyone I think.

Chapman is 15-3, 13-3 in region

Chapman beat La Sierra (2-18) 69-59 on Jan. 23. The Panthers play LSU for the fourth time this season this Thursday. After that Chapman has only one more D-III game left against UC Santa Cruz (7-12) on Feb. 8. The remainder of CU's schedule is against two NAIA-1 GSAC teams, Hope International (4-12) and Vanguard (4-13), and two games against ACCA West Coast Baptist and one against USCAA Golden State Baptist, both of which are in the Pacific Christian Athletic Conference. It's almost impossible to figure out the overall records of WCBC and GSBC because neither the schools nor the PCAC report them, but one can usually assume that both are well under .500.

Chapman really had no margin for error. The loss to 5-13 UDallas is a killer.

OxyBob

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Can't remember if it has been mention, but I am pretty sure Elms (15-1) is vying for one of the Pool B bids this season due to the new conference that has been formed. That makes it very difficult for many Pool B teams to think about a bid when Elms is playing as well as they are right now. Unless they fall apart, there really are only two bids up for grabs in Pool B.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Can't remember if it has been mention, but I am pretty sure Elms (15-1) is vying for one of the Pool B bids this season due to the new conference that has been formed. That makes it very difficult for many Pool B teams to think about a bid when Elms is playing as well as they are right now. Unless they fall apart, there really are only two bids up for grabs in Pool B.

Yeah, but the B's should be used to that scenario - Elms is just taking the role that Maryville (TN) has traditionally occupied!

[Ralph Turner]

Can't remember if it has been mention, but I am pretty sure Elms (15-1) is vying for one of the Pool B bids this season due to the new conference that has been formed. That makes it very difficult for many Pool B teams to think about a bid when Elms is playing as well as they are right now. Unless they fall apart, there really are only two bids up for grabs in Pool B.

Yeah, but the B's should be used to that scenario - Elms is just taking the role that Maryville (TN) has traditionally occupied!

Yes, except it is Maryville, who may be on that bubble. 

[oldchap]

That was a ugly loss, but they rebounded to beat UCSC. Wanna talk about ugly losses, UDallas lost to La Sierra today. That win for LSU cant help anyone I imagine, Chapman, UD, anyone I think.

Chapman is 15-3, 13-3 in region

I was at the Dallas-Chapman game. Chapman, usually pretty good from 3 point range, shot a dismal 1 for 10. Their free throws didn't help either, at 20 for 29. The score was 59 to 62 with 10 seconds left. Kyle Wood, Junior guard had two good looks open 3 pointers during this time, to tie the game, but both shots rimmed out.

It was an off day for Chapman which is usually very reliable and has been very consistent this year. This goes to show that Independents have zero margin of error if they want to make it into the playoffs.

[OxyBob]

I was at the Dallas-Chapman game. Chapman, usually pretty good from 3 point range, shot a dismal 1 for 10. Their free throws didn't help either, at 20 for 29. The score was 59 to 62 with 10 seconds left. Kyle Wood, Junior guard had two good looks open 3 pointers during this time, to tie the game, but both shots rimmed out.

It was an off day for Chapman which is usually very reliable and has been very consistent this year. This goes to show that Independents have zero margin of error if they want to make it into the playoffs.

Chapman is ranked 6th in D-III in 3-pt FG% at 42%. Really bad time for the Panthers to tank against 5-14 UDallas, especially when UD turned around and lost to woeful 2-19 La Sierra.

OxyBob

[scottiedoug]

Maryville (TN) can only win out in D3 competition and see what happens.  They could be 18 - 6 in region by the end of their tournament.  They have lost to pretty good teams (Centre twice, Oglethorpe, Transylvania) , with a couple of exceptions (Hanover and Rust), and are finishing well.   

[oldchap]

Chapman beat La Sierra (2-18) 69-59 on Jan. 23. The Panthers play LSU for the fourth time this season this Thursday. After that Chapman has only one more D-III game left against UC Santa Cruz (7-12) on Feb. 8. The remainder of CU's schedule is against two NAIA-1 GSAC teams, Hope International (4-12) and Vanguard (4-13), and two games against ACCA West Coast Baptist and one against USCAA Golden State Baptist, both of which are in the Pacific Christian Athletic Conference. It's almost impossible to figure out the overall records of WCBC and GSBC because neither the schools nor the PCAC report them, but one can usually assume that both are well under .500.

Chapman really had no margin for error. The loss to 5-13 UDallas is a killer.

OxyBob

OB, in addition to what you mentioned, Chapman will also play a post-season tournament against, I believe, the same teams it played last weekend. But this time, instead of a round robin, it will be a sort of "Conference playoff". If Chapman manages to win its two games, I hope that the loss against UDallas will be erased, although I'm not sure how the NCAA selection committee really works. The more I read about Pool B selection on this forum, the more confused I am. Some people seem to think that Chapman is a "slam dunk" for a pool B bid, but then again last year, the NCAA trumped everyone by not picking them.

[Ralph Turner]

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OB, in addition to what you mentioned, Chapman will also play a post-season tournament against, I believe, the same teams it played last weekend. But this time, instead of a round robin, it will be a sort of "Conference playoff". If Chapman manages to win its two games, I hope that the loss against UDallas will be erased, although I'm not sure how the NCAA selection committee really works. The more I read about Pool B selection on this forum, the more confused I am. Some people seem to think that Chapman is a "slam dunk" for a pool B bid, but then again last year, the NCAA trumped everyone by not picking them.

Good morning Oldchap,

Pabegg's most recent run of Pool C teams does show his calculations for Pool B as well. In Games thru Jan 18th, Chapman was his third Pool B team.  In his run thru games of Jan 25th, Chapman is off the chart and Catholic is the 3rd Pool B.  The loss to Dallas may have done that.

I don't know if Catholic Chapman can "un-do" the loss to Dallas, especially with respect to winning percentage.

See Post #1917


EDIT: Thanks NEPAfan

[NEPAFAN]

Chapman's loss to Dallas , not Catholic's. 

[pabegg]

By the numbers, they dropped to eighth, although 4 through 9 are essentially tied.

Pool B looks like this (with regional records):

Elms (14-1)
(a big gap)
Catholic (8-3) and Scranton (12-5)
(another gap)
Susquehanna (9-5), Daniel Webster (7-3), Northwestern (11-3), Maryville (9-6), Chapman (11-3), Becker (9-5)

If Catholic and Scranton hold serve from here on out, holding onto their 70% winning percentages, any of the bottom six will more or less need to run the table.

[OxyBob]

If Chapman manages to win its two games, I hope that the loss against UDallas will be erased, although I'm not sure how the NCAA selection committee really works.

Chapman lost to 5-14 UDallas, which then went and lost to 2-19 La Sierra. I can't think of a worse scenario for Chapman's OWP and OOWP. With so little room for error in Pool B, not only won't the UDallas loss be "erased," it'll be magnified come selection time. The Panthers' loss to 6-11 Whitman doesn't help them much either.

As for how the NCAA selection committee works: The NCAA has a 50+-page handbook consisting of excruciating minutiae, delineating exactly how the selection committee works and the criteria it uses to determine the participating teams. They announce regional rankings, pour over won-loss records and strength of schedule numbers, and cogitate long into the wee hours of the night trying to figure out which teams get into the tournament. They set up and trumpet fancy-schmancy media to announce the brackets, and then they screw it up anyway. Two years in a row! Then the D-III national committee chairman offers an insincere apology, makes some lame excuses, and blames someone else for the screw up.

OxyBob

[Gregory Sager]

By the numbers, they dropped to eighth, although 4 through 9 are essentially tied.

Pool B looks like this (with regional records):

Elms (14-1)
(a big gap)
Catholic (8-3) and Scranton (12-5)
(another gap)
Susquehanna (9-5), Daniel Webster (7-3), Northwestern (11-3), Maryville (9-6), Chapman (11-3), Becker (9-5)

If Catholic and Scranton hold serve from here on out, holding onto their 70% winning percentages, any of the bottom six will more or less need to run the table.

Circle February 14 on your calendars, Pool B watchers: Catholic @ Scranton, in the rematch of the first contest that was won by host Catholic on January 17.