Bumblin' B's

[Pat Coleman]

If the men's committee would give us the bracket announcement show like the women's did, we'd have a fighting chance of eliminating those issues.

Plus we'd pronounce names right.

[oldchap]

Chapman lost to 5-14 UDallas, which then went and lost to 2-19 La Sierra. I can't think of a worse scenario for Chapman's OWP and OOWP. With so little room for error in Pool B, not only won't the UDallas loss be "erased," it'll be magnified come selection time. The Panthers' loss to 6-11 Whitman doesn't help them much either.

Sure, the loss to Dallas (very narrow loss, by the way) looks bad, but which team doesn't have a bad day? The loss to Whitman can be (at least partially) explained by the fact that 2 outstanding Chapman players suffered concussions in the first half of that game. These two players (Jared Kaiser, a junior starter and Jon Consani, a sophomore regular off the bench) had to sit the next 4 games due to their injuries. Freshmen and other bench players had to step up during this time and the team did extremely well, winning all subsequent games, including tough match ups against CS East Bay and current SCIAC first place holder Whittier College. This shows the depth of Chapman's team.

In addition, wouldn't the fact that Chapman plays only 6 games at home this season count for something? In other words, Chapman plays 21 of 27 games on the road this year!!

Of course, I'm biased and I'd love to see Chapman in the playoffs where they would be a very competitive team. This year, they are as good as the top teams in the SCIAC in my opinion (and demonstrated it by beating every single SCIAC team they played). I find this process terribly subjective and unfair. I just hope that the NCAA committee will make up for what some people view as an injustice for not having sent Chapman to the playoffs last year.

[Ralph Turner]

Good evening, oldchap1

Chapman lost to 5-14 UDallas, which then went and lost to 2-19 La Sierra. I can't think of a worse scenario for Chapman's OWP and OOWP. With so little room for error in Pool B, not only won't the UDallas loss be "erased," it'll be magnified come selection time. The Panthers' loss to 6-11 Whitman doesn't help them much either.

Sure, the loss to Dallas (very narrow loss, by the way) looks bad, but which team doesn't have a bad day?

The way the playoffs work in D-III is that a team cannot have a bad day!  Margin of victory is not a criterion.

The loss to Whitman can be (at least partially) explained by the fact that 2 outstanding Chapman players suffered concussions in the first half of that game. These two players (Jared Kaiser, a junior starter and Jon Consani, a sophomore regular off the bench) had to sit the next 4 games due to their injuries. Freshmen and other bench players had to step up during this time and the team did extremely well, winning all subsequent games, including tough match ups against CS East Bay and current SCIAC first place holder Whittier College. This shows the depth of Chapman's team.

Bad luck is part of the game.  Pool B works such that teams must work thru injuries.

In addition, wouldn't the fact that Chapman plays only 6 games at home this season count for something? In other words, Chapman plays 21 of 27 games on the road this year!!

Home games are not in the criteria.

Of course, I'm biased and I'd love to see Chapman in the playoffs where they would be a very competitive team. This year, they are as good as the top teams in the SCIAC in my opinion (and demonstrated it by beating every single SCIAC team they played). I find this process terribly subjective and unfair.

In fairness to the institutions that have refined the Pools process over the last decade, have you read the NCAA handbook?  The Chapman baseball teams have worked the Pool B system very efficiently.  Chapman women's hoops have also earned Pool B bids.

I just hope that the NCAA committee will make up for what some people view as an injustice for not having sent Chapman to the playoffs last year.

I was a loud objecter to the Chapman "snub" last season so I understand your frustration.

The Pool B bids are allocated at the ratio that is the average size of the Pool A conferences.  In the allocation of bids, a team cannot lose a game.  It is looking like the UDallas loss may be the one that they could not afford.

[Pat Coleman]

You may be shouting into the wind, Ralph. I tried this very argument with him a couple weeks ago, pretty sure.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Injuries are tough.  The (at the time) #1 team in the country may end up missing out on the tournament altogether because of an injury to one player.  I hope it doesn't happen, but things aren't looking good right now.

Chapman has such a small window through which to prove themselves there really is no margin for error or injury.

[OxyBob]

If the men's committee would give us the bracket announcement show like the women's did, we'd have a fighting chance of eliminating those issues.

If you'd handled the bracket show then the 2007 Mississippi College debacle would have never happened, and last season you'd have questioned the West bracket before going public with it.

Sure, the loss to Dallas (very narrow loss, by the way) looks bad, but which team doesn't have a bad day? The loss to Whitman can be (at least partially) explained by the fact that 2 outstanding Chapman players suffered concussions in the first half of that game. These two players (Jared Kaiser, a junior starter and Jon Consani, a sophomore regular off the bench) had to sit the next 4 games due to their injuries.

A bad day? In the world of college basketball that's all it takes to knock you out. Last season Cal Lutheran was 21-4, played lousy for 10 minutes against Pomona and lost, and it probably cost them a tournament berth. As for the Whitman game, Chapman has plenty of talent who can pick up the slack for the loss of Kaiser and Consani. Bottom line, they lost the game.

In addition, wouldn't the fact that Chapman plays only 6 games at home this season count for something? In other words, Chapman plays 21 of 27 games on the road this year!!

Yes, and last season CU had 13 home games. That's the life of an independent. You don't always get return games from opponents. Chapman was supposed to play Cal Lutheran at home this season, but couldn't get it scheduled. That's why the Panthers are unfortunately stuck playing La Sierra four times. Speaking of which, good luck tonight @ LSU.

OxyBob

[oldchap]

Speaking of which, good luck tonight @ LSU.

Thanks OB. I'm traveling so I won't be at the game, but I hope LSU doesn't pull another upset.

For all of you who posted comments regarding my comments, I want to also thank you. I can't say what you're saying makes me feel better, but at least I understand the process much better now. 

[Ralph Turner]

Speaking of which, good luck tonight @ LSU.

Thanks OB. I'm traveling so I won't be at the game, but I hope LSU doesn't pull another upset.

For all of you who posted comments regarding my comments, I want to also thank you. I can't say what you're saying makes me feel better, but at least I understand the process much better now. 

Oldchap,

I think that I have an acceptable compromise for all of us out here west of the Mississippi.

We can give the perennial Chapman Pool B baseball bid to the Chapman Men's Basketball team.   

[OxyBob]

Speaking of which, good luck tonight @ LSU.

Thanks OB. I'm traveling so I won't be at the game, but I hope LSU doesn't pull another upset.

Chapman 78, La Sierra 58

Helpful hint: Someone from CU or LSU might want to call in the score so D3hoops can post it.

OxyBob

[RustCollege]

So what do Rust College look like if we end the season at 16-8 for making the Playoffs

[Ralph Turner]

So what do Rust College look like if we end the season at 16-8 for making the Playoffs

Good evening, Rust College!  Welcome to the boards!

The criteria used by the selection committee relates to in-region D-III games.  Here is the Rust schedule with the in-region games noted.

I count that Rust is 7-6 in South Region games.

Unfortunately, that won't be good enough.

[oldchap]

[Chapman 78, La Sierra 58

yeah, it didn't look like Chapman had much of a problem beating La Sierra yet for the 4th time, which makes the loss to Dallas that much more frustrating.

[RustCollege]

So how many teams do they take out of the independent South Region for the playoffs

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There are not a predetermined number of teams taken out of any region for either Pool B or Pool C.

[ronk]

So how many teams do they take out of the independent South Region for the playoffs

   Maybe he meant:

As an independent, can Rust play in that tournament of independents that Dallas, Chapman, and Neb Wes played in last year, whose winner has an increasesd chance of a Pool B bid?