Bumblin' B's

[Ralph Turner]

So how many teams do they take out of the independent South Region for the playoffs

   Maybe he meant:

As an independent, can Rust play in that tournament of independents that Dallas, Chapman, and Neb Wes played in last year, whose winner has an increasesd chance of a Pool B bid?

Hello, Ronk.

Actually Rust is not in the West Region, by any criteria that I know.

I don't know any legislative hoops that need to be jumped to get either so Rust could get a Pool B bid.

I think that Pool B will be locked up a teams with won/loss records better than .750. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

BTW - Scranton and CUA both took hits to their Pool B hopes this weekend.

[Ralph Turner]

Thru games of Jan 31st, Pool B teams by winning percentage of in-region games.  Three bids will be awarded.  Please see the Handbook for the list of criteria.

Team........................	Conference...	Region....	Overall...	In-Reg...	In-Reg %-age
1) Elms	NECC	NEast	17-1	16-1	.941
2) Chapman	Indep	West	16-3	14-3	.824
3) Northwestern MN	UMAC	West	15-4	12-3	.800
*	*	*	*	*	*
4) Becker	NECC	NEast	12-5	12-5	.706
5) Catholic	LAND	MidAtl	15-5	9-4	.692
6) Susquehanna	LAND	MidAtl	13-6	11-5	.688
7) Scranton	LAND	MidAtl	14-6	13-6	.684
X Maryville TN	GSAC	South	12-6	10-6	.625
X) Merchant Marine	LAND	Atl	12-8	11-7	.611

EDIT: I have included Maryville, which has 4 more regular season in-region games and a two-game GSAC tournament.  It looks like the threshold for in-region winning percentage will be at or above .727 or above 16-6.

Please check the Pool C board for pabegg's computer listing for additional insights into the data.

Corrections are appreciated! 
Corrections to Catholic (241 miles from Catholic to Carnegie Mellon), and to USMMA (220 miles from Kings Point to Eastern Nazarene) have been made!  Thanks to pabegg!  These errors were due to the "in-region" designation on Catholic's and USMMA's schedules on their pages.

[ronk]

So how many teams do they take out of the independent South Region for the playoffs

   Maybe he meant:

As an independent, can Rust play in that tournament of independents that Dallas, Chapman, and Neb Wes played in last year, whose winner has an increasesd chance of a Pool B bid?

Hello, Ronk.

Actually Rust is not in the West Region, by any criteria that I know.

I don't know any legislative hoops that need to be jumped to get either so Rust could get a Pool B bid.

I think that Pool B will be locked up a teams with won/loss records better than .750. 

Ralph,
   I was just noting that Dallas is in the South region like Rust and they played in that tournament last year.

[Ralph Turner]

So how many teams do they take out of the independent South Region for the playoffs

   Maybe he meant:

As an independent, can Rust play in that tournament of independents that Dallas, Chapman, and Neb Wes played in last year, whose winner has an increasesd chance of a Pool B bid?

Hello, Ronk.

Actually Rust is not in the West Region, by any criteria that I know.

I don't know any legislative hoops that need to be jumped to get either so Rust could get a Pool B bid.

I think that Pool B will be locked up a teams with won/loss records better than .750. 

Ralph,
   I was just noting that Dallas is in the South region like Rust and they played in that tournament last year.

Sorry for any confusion...

I believe that that post-season tourney is sponsored by

http://www.d3independents.org/

Rust has not participated in that group.

UDallas is in Administrative Region #4.  That makes their participation in the west coast tourney "in-region"; Rust in Administrative Region #3.  Finlandia is another independent in that region.  That tourney does not have an AQ with it.  Here is the handbook.

D-III Men's Handbook

[pabegg]

With respect to Ralph's list,

Catholic is 9-4 not 9-5 in-region; Carnegie Mellon was not a regional game.

Merchant Marine should be 11-7 not 12-7; I have it over 200 miles from Kings Point NY to Quincy MA (Eastern Nazarene).

Elms is so far out front that I think that they're a sure thing.

Susquehanna now leads a pack that looks like the chasers are Scranton, Becker, Catholic, Chapman, Maryville TN, and Northwestern MN, in that order.

I don't see others contending.

[ronk]

Ralph,
  I was foiled by the 4 membership regions vs. the 8 geographical regions(NE,E,Atl,MA,S,MW,C,W). So, from the handbook for in-region:
  1. all competition within an institution's defined region

what is an institution's defined region?

it's not the admin region because that's defined separately under 3.

I'm sensing I asked this question last year.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

ronk - this is the easiest way to determine in-region games.
1 - within the "region" that each team is placed in by the NCAA (NE, East, Atlantic, Mid-Atlantic, GL, South, Midwest, West)
2 - within the NCAA's administrative regions - four of these - can provide a breakdown if needed
3 - games played between teams 200 miles from one another - no matter where they play the game

[ronk]

Dmac,
  Thanks, that clears it up and shows why the indy tournament(West) is in region for Dallas(via admin region 4) and not for Rust(3) even though they're in the same defined region(South).

[Pat Coleman]

Regional rankings released. We have them on our blog ready for commentary and for everyone to correct the NCAA's regional records.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/04/alert-regional-rankings-released/

[Pat Coleman]

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings/
Regional rankings released.

[scottiedoug]

Patrick Abegg has Scranton and Susquehanna two and three behind Elms for Pool B.  How likely is it that two teams from the LAND conf. would go?  I ask, of course, because Maryville (TN) is pegged as next and they should win out.

[Pat Coleman]

They took two last year. There's not really a mandate to spread them out among as many conferences as possible -- that would be essentially an automatic bid.

[pabegg]

Susquehanna, Maryville TN, Chapman, and Becker are essentially tied at the moment.

If one assumes that Scranton beats Susquehanna in the Landmark tournament, then one of the others would likely get in.

If Susquehanna wins out, they're in and Scranton would fall into the race for the third bid.

Becker is the wild card, as they could beat Elms in the NECC tournament and jump way up.

Elms, by the way, is in. The only question is whether they'll be in a position to host the first weekend.

[Hugenerd]

Susquehanna, Maryville TN, Chapman, and Becker are essentially tied at the moment.

If one assumes that Scranton beats Susquehanna in the Landmark tournament, then one of the others would likely get in.

If Susquehanna wins out, they're in and Scranton would fall into the race for the third bid.

Becker is the wild card, as they could beat Elms in the NECC tournament and jump way up.

Elms, by the way, is in. The only question is whether they'll be in a position to host the first weekend.

I thought Elms didnt have the facility to host, or am I mistaken?  I think the coach was on Hoopsville a week or two ago and said they would not have the oppurtunity to host because their gym seats less than 1000.  He didnt make it sound like they were looking for alternate venues either.