Bumblin' B's

[Pat Coleman]

Even on a bad day, an at-large team should still beat U.Dallas.

[scottiedoug]

Maryville lost two games it should not have lost (Rust, Hanover) and I think the young team learned some things about the importance of focus (team MVP did not play at Rust).  Even though it is hard to build a D3 schedule as an independent in the Southeast (especially since good teams do not seem to want to visit Maryville...two home games before January), Coach Lambert did play some teams that traditionally are strong, and I hope that is rewarded.  Maybe Chapman will come to Tennessee and show us how good they are next year.  Maryville is trying to build a Thanksgiving tournament.

If Maryville gets in, the team and coaches know it was a dice roll because of the bad start.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is no point in Chapman playing Maryville... it won't count!

[Mr. Ypsi]

There is no point in Chapman playing Maryville... it won't count!

If they were again going head-to-head for the final B, I'm sure the selectors would find a way to count it.

[RustCollege]

I think Maryville should get in but that rust game was harder then what u think if da team MVP would have played it would have been da same results a lose

Maryville lost two games it should not have lost (Rust, Hanover) and I think the young team learned some things about the importance of focus (team MVP did not play at Rust).  Even though it is hard to build a D3 schedule as an independent in the Southeast (especially since good teams do not seem to want to visit Maryville...two home games before January), Coach Lambert did play some teams that traditionally are strong, and I hope that is rewarded.  Maybe Chapman will come to Tennessee and show us how good they are next year.  Maryville is trying to build a Thanksgiving tournament.

If Maryville gets in, the team and coaches know it was a dice roll because of the bad start.

[elfinley]

"Chapman should consider playing a lot more games in the beginning of the season against SCIAC and other conference teams so they don't run into a scheduling problems at this time of the year with no team to play except La Sierra."

Chapman has tried to play more SCIAC's during that time span(Nov, and Dec), but SCIAC's are not as willing at times. I said before in my last post CU had a scheduled game vs. Cal Lu this year but Cal Lu pulled out because they did'nt want to play on that day.

CU would be willing to play all SCIAC's every year, twice even. CU even suggested that they play the same week teams played Cal Tech, but they turned that down as well.

Please do not think Chapman has not tried. They have tried hard to improve their schedule and are planning more tournamnets of their own.

[The Wiz]

I see in the projections, Maryville topped Chapman.
What was the key factor in this decision?
I hear everyone screaming about the UDallas lost, but I can't believe that one game is a big enough factor to remove Chapman from the playoffs. Sure their SOS isn't very good, but a complete sweep of the SCIAC and winning 21 of the last 22 games seems pretty impressive too. Not to mention, Chapman went undefeated at home (6-0) and on the road (12-0). Their three loses came at neutral sites. (Cal Tech-Whitworth, Redlands-Whitman, and Santa Cruz-Dallas)

[Pat Coleman]

It is when it's a bad loss and you only have a limited number of in-region games to begin with. Everyone keeps trying to minimize that loss and you can't just ignore it.

[The Wiz]

I'm not saying ignore it, but what I am saying is that I feel there is too much of an emphasis on the loss. I completely agree Chapman should have beat Dallas, but the ball didn't roll their way. The issue I have is the fact that this loss means Chapman can't compete in the tournament. With a 24-3 record, I just don't understand how a team isn't "good enough" to play on the big stage. It doesn't add up.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

First off... 24-3 isn't their actual record in the eyes of the NCAA... it's 17-3.
Secondly... they swept the bottom half of the SCIAC... with all below-.500 records.
Thirdly... they beat the teams in the SCIAC that are better than U-Dallas, why wouldn't that game be a focus?
Fourthly... EVERY game in region counts... not just the ones that should be ignored.
Fifthly... since all the regional games are counted... then when comparing Chapman to other teams... that bad loss will come up in conversation.

[The Wiz]

First off... 24-3 isn't their actual record in the eyes of the NCAA... it's 17-3.
Secondly... they swept the bottom half of the SCIAC... with all below-.500 records.
Thirdly... they beat the teams in the SCIAC that are better than U-Dallas, why wouldn't that game be a focus?
Fourthly... EVERY game in region counts... not just the ones that should be ignored.
Fifthly... since all the regional games are counted... then when comparing Chapman to other teams... that bad loss will come up in conversation.

Last time I checked, CMS has a record of 21-6 and Whittier has 16-10 record. Not to mention, CMS won the SCIAC last night finished 11-3 in conference, while Whittier went 10-4 in league play. So if those are both below .500 records, we must speak a different language of math.

Once again, I am not saying the UDallas lost shouldn't be a factor, what I AM saying is that this game has an extreme emphasis!  It should be a topic of conversation, but not a sole factor on comparing Chapman to other teams. From what I have read, that is what you and everyone else is doing!

[Pat Coleman]

It's hard to have a rational discussion with biased observers. It's unfortunate you lost to Dallas, a 9-18 team. Why could so many teams beat Dallas and Chapman not?

[oldchap]

You know what, guys?

You picked Chapman as a Pool B last year and you were wrong. So, chances are, you pick Maryville this year and you may be wrong.

I think that we can all argue until we're blue on the face, but this will not remove the fact that the process is flawed. The Massey Ratings use a much better statistical approach to determining a team's strength and right now Chapman is #30 while Maryville is #77 (#28 and #50 if you use MOV). I know it' irrelevant to the selection process, but it just proves that Chapman is a better team. End of story.

Now, we'll just sit back and relax and just hope that the NCAA committee screws up the selection by picking Chapman, just like they screwed it up last year by not picking Chapman. 

[Boal]

It's hard to have a rational discussion with biased observers. It's unfortunate you lost to Dallas, a 9-18 team. Why could so many teams beat Dallas and Chapman not?

They didn't win because their guards went a combined 3-31 that game.  Their posts carried them up to the last shot of the game which happened to miss.  So one bad shooting game, specifically one shot, is keeping a team that is 24-3 out of the playoffs and probably letting a team 20-6 in... It is another sad day in D3Hoops.  This should be about who is the better team not who had a bad day against another team.  Plus, I really don't get why the Maryville team isn't getting the heat for getting blown out by Rust just like Chapman is getting the heat from U of D.  Again I know that supposedly the amount you win or lose by isn't counted, but you guys keep saying "results" so that makes me think it is.

[Pat Coleman]

You should be able to beat U of Dallas on a bad night if you want to make the NCAA Tournament.

Rather than deflecting and trying to place blame elsewhere, let's look right back at a Chapman schedule which didn't give the team a chance if it lost more than two games.

BTW, Rust has a winning record. Dallas, not even close.