Bumblin' B's

[susiddad]

ok here goes case for SU:

2 pt. loss to F&M  on road top team in mid-atl.
win over Edgewood league champs neutral site
wins over catholic and scranton 17+18 win teams catholic in tourney.
5 of the 8 loses were in conference and they won avenged each one with a win.
6 of the 8 loses were in overtime or on the last possession
the schedule is filled with tons of competition and were never out of a game and won most of them.  
9 of 18 wins were vs. over .500 teams (Maryville had 3 WINS VS. TEAMS OVER .500)

[susiddad]

Pat,

my "history" comment towards Letourneau deals with the history of the program in our conference.  And if you look at our history books Susquehanna has played Catholic  7 times the past four years and beaten them 4 out of 7 under the new regime, so I am not in love by grading the history of a program before the current coach.  Its practically a different program.  (2 of the 3 catholic wins were in overtime and the other one was a buzzer beater Catholic win).

Not to go off course here, but there is a context for my comments. 

I personally wouldn't mind a pool b play in game.  Susquehanna vs. Maryville.  We'll play it tomorrow at 7pm neutral site. 
Sounds like it will be a happy day for Maryville.

[scottiedoug]

Maryville College was founded in 1819, a few years before online education began.  In the 1990s, MC went to the NCAA tournament 6 times.  Since 2000, it has gone 8 consecutive years and, until last year, had won at least one game each time.  Twice since 2000 MC made it to the Sweet 16.

It is not a top 10 national program but it is not too shabby, either. 

Knowing Coach Lambert, he'd be fine with playing anybody, including teams favored by ignorant posters as well as the ones from Chapman.

[susiddad]

getting killed here. If it makes you feel better Maryville is going to the tournament and has a tremendous history. Not ignorant though.  Take it easy.  As for "coach" willing to play anybody, lets not get carried away here.

More reason to knock Maryville (case not the program)

Piedmont and Huntingdon combined for Maryvilles last 6 division 3 wins.  OK so we know nothing about either of them 6-0 is impressive.  Consider THIS FELLOW POSTERS.  HOW MANY WINS DID PEE'DMONT AND HUNTINGDON HAVE VERSUS TEAMS WITH A WINNING RECORD?

A. 10
B. 6
C. 4
D.2
E. 1
F. 0




IF YOU GUESSED F YOU WERE CORRECT.  1/3RD OF MARYVILLE'S SCHEDULE CAME AGAINST TEAMS THAT DID NOT WIN A GAME VS A .500 TEAM (THERE MIGHT BE MORE ALSO HAVENT CHECKED YET.)

AND "randy" is a girls name in the mid-atlantic

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm sorry to beat a dead horse, but something's bothering me about the Chapman issue. For all the people "in the know" here, why did Chapman get some votes for the Top 25 rankings in both the official d3hoops.com poll (week 12, they garnered 17 points, putting them at #30) and the poster's poll (they are also ranked #30), while Maryville is nowhere to be found?

Because at the end of the Top 25 and the Posters Poll aren't worth the paper they are printed on when it comes to making the NCAA Tournament. The committee doesn't look at the polls so they are worthless to use when trying to decide who is going to be in the tournament.

WOW!  Someone actually takes my PP seriously enough to print it out!

Do I get royalties?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm not quitting, but this argument is going nowhere. Chapman thinks they should get in, others don't. So no matter how much debate there is, it is simple; no one wins. If Chapman makes it, they will be excited and others will question. If they don't Chapman will be upset and others will agree with the committee. It's just unfortunate that Pool B exists and there are so many teams fighting for 3 spots.

I suspect you'd find it even more unfortunate if Pool B did not exist - I think only Elms could make it in as a Pool C.

[The Wiz]

I suspect you'd find it even more unfortunate if Pool B did not exist - I think only Elms could make it in as a Pool C.
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Let me correct myself then, every team should be in a league where all teams have a spot to get an automatic bid. Is that better for you?

[Ralph Turner]

I suspect you'd find it even more unfortunate if Pool B did not exist - I think only Elms could make it in as a Pool C.

Let me correct myself then, every team should be in a league where all teams have a spot to get an automatic bid. Is that better for you?
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Wiz, the net effect is that the Pool System has driven teams into conferences where they can gain access to the Pool A bid.

The Landmark Conference gets its Pool A bid in 2010.  The Upper Midwest Athletic Conference and the New England Collegiate Conference should have their Pool A bids in 2011.

Please look at my summary of what I think will happen in the next two years.

We should be down to one Pool B bid in 2012.

Post 1303

Pool B has allowed teams to gain access to the playoffs in an orderly fashion.

[The Wiz]

I just feel if you are in a league, it is easier to get a bid. Regardless of how you do in the pre-season, a team can turn it on during league, qualify for the league post season tourney, win the tourney and receive an automatic bid. Unfortunately for independents, they don't have this luxury. A loss in the first game has the same effect as a loss as the last game.

[oldchap]

I just feel if you are in a league, it is easier to get a bid. Regardless of how you do in the pre-season, a team can turn it on during league, qualify for the league post season tourney, win the tourney and receive an automatic bid. Unfortunately for independents, they don't have this luxury. A loss in the first game has the same effect as a loss as the last game.

Amen to this, Brother!

For instance, Whitworth wouldn't have been able to go to the Tournament, had it not won last night (by the way, I'm not knocking them down, this was an impressive win, against a no less impressive opponent). Whitworth had lost to Linfield which isn't a team that's setting D3 basketball on fire. If Whitworth was a Pool B contender, right now we would be debating about that loss to Linfield (similar to Chapman's loss to Dallas) as a reason for them not to make it to the tournament. By the way, Whitworth also lost to CMS (which Chapman beat) and lost two times to UPS, before beating them in the Conference finals.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For the love of God... there is no PRE-SEASON!!! It is out-of-conference play. If it was pre-season, the games wouldn't count!!!

Here is the deal for Maryville and Susquehanna... in the criteria of regional record, OWP, OOWP, Marville holds a 2-1 advantage of Susquehanna. When it comes to results over regionally ranked opponents... I believe Maryville has more results. The committee may never get to any other criteria than all of that... which gives Maryville the advantage. It is slight... but it is an advantage to be picked.

And to follow up on the Pool B, lucky-to-be-part-of-the-conversation part... Susquehanna would not be part of the tournament discussion at all if they were in a Pool A conference and up for a Pool C bid. The simple fact they are part of the conversation is nice, but if this was next year... Susquehanna wouldn't even be discussed as a Pool C bid. Susquehanna's resume just isn't that good, especially with seven in-region losses.

[scottiedoug]

Everybody associated with Maryville's program wants to 1) be in a conference with an AQ bid, and 2) wants to play a better schedule against better teams.  It is what it is right now.  If there is any "churning" in the SCAC, ASC, or USA South, I hope Maryville and the rest of the GSAC can land in a competitive AQ conference in which you do not have to travel huge and expensive distances to get games. 

I have never known Randall D. Lambert to turn down a D3 game, so if Susquehanna wants to come down South and try to whip some southern teams, I bet they can visit Maryville via Virginia Wesleyan, Hampden-Sidney, and Mississippi College and go back where Randy is a man's name 0 and 4.

[dahlby]

In response to Ralph Turner's comment about realizing how hard it is to make the tourney, I think he is only half correct with his observation. Hard if your conference is tough, easy if your conference is weak. You may have close conference games or a couple of teams may be "tough", but that is in comparison to the other conference teams they are playing, and not against outside of conference opponents.

Good luck to all!

[The Wiz]

For the love of God... there is no PRE-SEASON!!! It is out-of-conference play. If it was pre-season, the games wouldn't count!!!

Your wrong! Couldn't disagree with you more! Are you trying to tell me when Claremont played Chapman the first game of the year and loss, that wasn't apart of their pre-season? When you are in a league, you can erase your games before league (pre-season) by doing well in your league! For independents, losing to a in region D-3 game as the first game of the year will haunt you because you can't redeem yourself in a league. It doesn't matter if they are out of conference, the D-3 games still count for your in region record/OWP! So once again I say...YOUR WRONG!

[Pat Coleman]

BRACKET

http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbbbracket2009.pdf