Bumblin' B's

[sac]

Anyone have an explination for why the Allegheny Mountain Conference (AMCC) has an automatic bid with only 4 members, and only 3 of those eligible for the tournament?

[hopefan]

Amcc has a bunch of members, bur are split up between the East, Great Lakes, and Mid Atlantic Regions.......

[Hugenerd]

Those interested in OWP and OOWP should read the section on strength of schedule.  For 2010 and 2011 they will be using a weighted average of 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP.  I believe this is a fairly significant change from years passed if memory serves me correctly.

I am not certain, but I dont think they told us what the weighted average was in previous years.

[Hugenerd]

Anyone have an explination for why the Allegheny Mountain Conference (AMCC) has an automatic bid with only 4 members, and only 3 of those eligible for the tournament?

http://www.amcconf.org/mbb.htm

[KnightSlappy]

Those interested in OWP and OOWP should read the section on strength of schedule.  For 2010 and 2011 they will be using a weighted average of 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP.  I believe this is a fairly significant change from years passed if memory serves me correctly.

Isn't this just consistent with the standard SOS number in the RPI calculation?

[sac]

Amcc has a bunch of members, bur are split up between the East, Great Lakes, and Mid Atlantic Regions.......

my bad, I was reading only the great lakes section of the handbook and had forgotten that.

[sac]

Those interested in OWP and OOWP should read the section on strength of schedule.  For 2010 and 2011 they will be using a weighted average of 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP.  I believe this is a fairly significant change from years passed if memory serves me correctly.

Isn't this just consistent with the standard SOS number in the RPI calculation?

I can't remember

[KnightSlappy]

Here is a list of Pool B school with their corresponding conferences and overall record. Let me know if I'm missing anything. I will later add their regional record:

1. Chapman University <IND> 8-1
2. Maryville College (Tennessee) <GSAC> 7-1
3. Elms College <NECC> 6-2
4. Wheelock College <NECC> 5-2
5. Presentation College <UMAC> 3-2
6. Piedmont College <GSAC> 4-3
7. Daniel Webster College <NECC> 4-4
   Menlo College <IND> 4-4
9. Northwestern College <UMAC> 4-5
   Southern Vermont College <NECC> 4-5
11. Becker College <NECC> 3-5
     Finlandia University <IND> 3-5
     University of Minnesota-Morris <UMAC> 3-5
     Nebraska Wesleyan University <IND> 3-5
15. Rust College <IND> 4-4
16. Huntingdon College <GSAC> 2-4
17. Newbury College <NECC> 2-5
     Northland College <UMAC> 2-5
19. Lesley University <NECC> 3-8
20. LaGrange College <GSAC> 2-6
21. Crown College (MN) <UMAC> 2-8
     University of California, Santa Cruz <IND> 2-8
23. Martin Luther College <UMAC> 1-5
24. College of St. Scholastica <UMAC> 1-7
     Mitchell College <NECC> 1-7
26. University of Maine, Presque Isle <IND> 0-5
     Bethany Lutheran <UMAC> 0-9

P   RNK   WP      OWP     OOWP     RPI    NAT   REG   OVR   Team
                           
B   001   0.889   0.571   0.587   .6548   020   8-1   8-1   Chapman
B   002   0.714   0.682   0.520   .6496   025   5-2   6-2   Elms
B   003   0.833   0.469   0.558   .5823   085   5-1   7-1   Maryville (Tenn.)
B   004   0.400   0.679   0.418   .5437   141   2-3   4-4   Rust
B   005   0.714   0.356   0.616   .5104   188   5-2   5-2   Wheelock
B   006   0.667   0.381   0.566   .4987   211   2-1   4-3   Piedmont
B   007   0.250   0.621   0.477   .4920   225   2-6   2-8   UC Santa Cruz
B   008   0.500   0.442   0.518   .4755   241   4-4   4-4   Daniel Webster
B   009   0.250   0.571   0.493   .4715   248   1-3   2-4   Huntingdon
B   010   0.286   0.541   0.493   .4649   258   2-5   2-6   LaGrange
B   011   0.375   0.484   0.488   .4576   269   3-5   3-5   Becker
B   012   1.000   0.083   0.636   .4508   278   2-0   3-2   Presentation
B   013   0.333   0.485   0.483   .4466   283   3-6   3-8   Lesley
B   014   0.286   0.500   0.465   .4378   296   2-5   2-5   Newbury
B   015   0.167   0.577   0.387   .4268   306   1-5   1-5   Martin Luther
B   016   0.667   0.176   0.632   .4128   330   2-1   3-5   Minnesota-Morris
B   017   0.250   0.476   0.428   .4075   339   1-3   3-5   Nebraska Wesleyan
B   018   0.167   0.485   0.484   .4050   340   1-5   4-5   Southern Vermont
B   019   0.444   0.354   0.440   .3982   345   4-5   4-5   Northwestern (Minn.)
B   020   0.000   0.568   0.393   .3820   361   0-8   0-9   Bethany Lutheran
B   021   0.400   0.258   0.473   .3473   377   2-3   2-5   Northland
B   022   0.250   0.333   0.434   .3375   384   1-3   3-5   Finlandia
B   023   0.000   0.450   0.433   .3333   386   0-3   0-5   Maine-Presque Isle
B   024   0.167   0.317   0.470   .3176   390   1-5   1-7   Mitchell
B   025   0.125   0.360   0.415   .3151   391   1-7   1-7   St. Scholastica
B   026   0.200   0.288   0.441   .3045   393   2-8   2-8   Crown

Updated with scores reported on d3hoops.com thru 8:45 pm est. I don't have data on Menlo though, not quite sure how they are classified, do they play d3 regional games?

[Ralph Turner]

I think that Menlo is NAIA for hoops.

[Pat Coleman]

Fortunately, Finlandia has sought to be assigned to the West Region.

Actually, I suggested this assignment at the behest of Mr. Ypsi.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Fortunately, Finlandia has sought to be assigned to the West Region.

Actually, I suggested this assignment at the behest of Mr. Ypsi.

Woo hoo!   I believe that may make three successful campaigns (that I really had a part in) in the last 40 years!

Assuming this one is successful.

[KnightSlappy]

I think that Menlo is NAIA for hoops.

That's what I thought too, but it appears that the handbook lists them as a pool B member of the west region.

[Gregory Sager]

I think that Menlo is NAIA for hoops.

That's what I thought too, but it appears that the handbook lists them as a pool B member of the west region.

There are two dual-membership discrepancies. The D3 handbook lists both Maine-Presque Isle and Menlo as "declared" schools that are thus eligible to participate in the D3 tournament. However, the NAIA website lists both UMPI and Menlo as NAIA Division II "declared" schools that are thus eligible to play in the NAIA-2 tourney. You have to declare for one or the other; you can't declare for both. The NAIA-2 membership page is dated from this past September and duly notes that Nebraska Wesleyan is a non-participating member of NAIA-2 and that Covenant is a provisional member that is ineligible for NAIA-2 postseason play (because it's in the process of transferring to NCAA D3).

Either the D3 handbook or the NAIA website has it wrong with regard to UMPI and Menlo. Both have declared for the NAIA every year for as long as I can remember, and both are members of conferences in which every other member is NAIA-2 (not that that's an ironclad guarantee that they're NAIA loyalists, as Nebraska Wesleyan proves), so unless there is further proof to the contrary I'm inclined to think that the handbook is wrong and that UMPI and Menlo have declared for the NAIA-2 tourney.

[KnightSlappy]

I think that Menlo is NAIA for hoops.

That's what I thought too, but it appears that the handbook lists them as a pool B member of the west region.

There are two dual-membership discrepancies. The D3 handbook lists both Maine-Presque Isle and Menlo as "declared" schools that are thus eligible to participate in the D3 tournament. However, the NAIA website lists both UMPI and Menlo as NAIA Division II "declared" schools that are thus eligible to play in the NAIA-2 tourney. You have to declare for one or the other; you can't declare for both. The NAIA-2 membership page is dated from this past September and duly notes that Nebraska Wesleyan is a non-participating member of NAIA-2 and that Covenant is a provisional member that is ineligible for NAIA-2 postseason play (because it's in the process of transferring to NCAA D3).

Either the D3 handbook or the NAIA website has it wrong with regard to UMPI and Menlo. Both have declared for the NAIA every year for as long as I can remember, and both are members of conferences in which every other member is NAIA-2 (not that that's an ironclad guarantee that they're NAIA loyalists, as Nebraska Wesleyan proves), so unless there is further proof to the contrary I'm inclined to think that the handbook is wrong and that UMPI and Menlo have declared for the NAIA-2 tourney.

Does declaring for the NAIA championships make you "non-DIII" and therefore the games do not count as in-region?

It wouldn't be a NCAA handbook without a few discrepancies now would it?

[scottiedoug]

There appear to be 8 schools listed as NECC and Pool B.  Doesn't 7 get them an AQ?  (I am sure Ralph has explained this somewhere and I cannot remember or find it.)