Bumblin' B's

[OxyBob]

I maintain that this year, Oxy refused to play Chapman.

Baloney, bunk, BS, hogwash, nonsense, rubbish, trash, and an outright lie. Other than that, you're accurate.

Hey, instead of playing La Sierra 4 times a season, maybe Chapman can figure out how to schedule a second game with Caltech instead of only playing CIT once per year.

OxyBob

[Mr. Ypsi]

I maintain that this year, Oxy refused to play Chapman.

Baloney, bunk, BS, hogwash, nonsense, rubbish, trash, and an outright lie. Other than that, you're accurate.

Hey, instead of playing La Sierra 4 times a season, maybe Chapman can figure out how to schedule a second game with Caltech instead of only playing CIT once per year.

OxyBob

Or maybe Oxy could have figured out a way to play Chapman once instead of La Sierra twice?

Rather than just trying to be a bully, perhaps you could suggest exactly who Chapman is supposed to play in January and February?

BTW, I checked Chapman's schedule (as listed on d3hoops.com) - they only play La Sierra three times, all during the SCIAC conference season.

BTW2, Chapman has a tolerably respectable .5805 RPI.  I searched the West region standings (pool C board), but I couldn't find Oxy's.

[magicman]

I maintain that this year, Oxy refused to play Chapman.

Baloney, bunk, BS, hogwash, nonsense, rubbish, trash, and an outright lie. Other than that, you're accurate.

Hey, instead of playing La Sierra 4 times a season, maybe Chapman can figure out how to schedule a second game with Caltech instead of only playing CIT once per year.

OxyBob

OxyBob,
Isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? I mean Oxy did play La Sierra twice, Caltech twice, American Sports U, and Holy Names U. Not to mention the powerhouse West Coast Baptist team that they beat up twice. (Chapman only played them once) By my count, Chapman would be 8-1 if they were in the SCIAC, with only the 1 point loss to CMS preventing them from a perfect SCIAC record. Once the teams in the SCIAC have played 9 games I wouldn't be surprised if Chapman's 8-1 slate would leave them, at worst, in a tie for 1st.  

[David Collinge]

This is sort of what I had in mind when I said "before this gets out of hand..." 

[CrashDavisD3]

My solution is add Chapman to the SCIAC. Have Cal Tech move it sports to club status since there are not really competive in any sport. Great minds that play for the love of the game. Nothing wrong of that.

With shrinking pool of teams for Chapman to play this would be the best way to go. Not sure if the SCIAC don't want Chapman or Chapman don't want the SCIAC. 

[Gray Fox]

My solution is add Chapman to the SCIAC. Have Cal Tech move it sports to club status since there are not really competive in any sport. Great minds that play for the love of the game. Nothing wrong of that.

With shrinking pool of teams for Chapman to play this would be the best way to go. Not sure if the SCIAC don't want Chapman or Chapman don't want the SCIAC. 

The SCIAC doesn't want little minds that put sports first. 

[dahlby]

Gray Fox,
Are you referring to the academic standing of Chapman University  athletes versus the SCIAC?

[OxyBob]

I maintain that this year, Oxy refused to play Chapman.

Baloney, bunk, BS, hogwash, nonsense, rubbish, trash, and an outright lie. Other than that, you're accurate.

Hey, instead of playing La Sierra 4 times a season, maybe Chapman can figure out how to schedule a second game with Caltech instead of only playing CIT once per year.

Isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? I mean Oxy did play La Sierra twice, Caltech twice, American Sports U, and Holy Names U. Not to mention the powerhouse West Coast Baptist team that they beat up twice. (Chapman only played them once) By my count, Chapman would be 8-1 if they were in the SCIAC, with only the 1 point loss to CMS preventing them from a perfect SCIAC record. Once the teams in the SCIAC have played 9 games I wouldn't be surprised if Chapman's 8-1 slate would leave them, at worst, in a tie for 1st.

We're not talking about Oxy's nonconference schedule (which is stocked with cupcakes), we're talking about Chapman's schedule. The combined record of the D-III teams Chapman's played (against D-III competition) is 66-96 (.407). Chapman has played only one D-III team with a winning record (Claremont). As for racking up wins against the SCIAC, big deal. The SCIAC's been a complete dud this season. The only signature win by a SCIAC team is Pomona's win over Whitworth on a neutral court, but then again Pomona also lost to UC Santa Cruz. Chapman has beaten 0-16 Caltech. Chapman has beaten 5-11 La Verne twice, but then again ULV has a loss to Chapman's favorite pin cushion La Sierra. Enigmatic Cal Lutheran, which has everyone back from an 18-8 team last season and was supposed to be a power, is 7-9 and has lost 4 straight conference games, so beating them adds nothing to Chapman's resume. Redlands is 8-8. Whittier is 7-8. The only SCIAC team even getting the slightest whiff of the Top 25 is Claremont, and Chapman lost to them, but then again CMS has losses to 4-13 Willamette and 8-8 St. Olaf.

Chapman plays no one and beats no one.

My solution is add Chapman to the SCIAC. Have Cal Tech move it sports to club status since there are not really competive in any sport.

Chapman in the SCIAC will never happen, and the SCIAC isn't the SCIAC without Caltech.

OxyBob

[Gray Fox]

Gray Fox,
Are you referring to the academic standing of Chapman University  athletes versus the SCIAC?

No!  Caltech is a charter member of the SCIAC.  They have athletes that are competitive, but not in all sports.  They even had a basketball player of the week a couple of weks ago.  Read their home page for their philosophy.  You will be impressed.

I was referring to the many posters over the years who think the SCIAC is all about athletics only.  It is not.

[dahlby]

GRAY FOX:

I know the Cal Tech philosophy. I have spoken with many a 'STUDENT ATHLETE' from that institution.
They all have my deepest respect in that they know how athletics fit in the game of life.

Regarding the various posters who you seem to indicate think that the SCIAC is all about athletics, there are several colleges in the conference that have very high admission standards AND field good programs. Chapman also fields good teams in most sports and have high academic requirements as well.

As far as Chapman becoming a member of the SCIAC, I too agree that it will probably be a cold day in
h--- before it happens. And besides, what would happen to all the debating on this site if they became members. Some posters would have nothing to argue about, or bait others in to an argument.

Thanks for clearing up your remark.

[dahlby]

OXY BOB:
Please get your facts straight, Chapman is only playing La Sierra THREE times this year. I hope that I need not start doubting all the other stats that you quote!

[OxyBob]

Please get your facts straight, Chapman is only playing La Sierra THREE times this year.

You're right. This year 3 times, last year 4 times. So many times my head was spinning.

OxyBob

[CrashDavisD3]

If the SCIAC wont let Chapman in, Why dont each team schedule to play them 2 or 3 times per year. It seems like SCIAC teams won't schedule many games in most sports with Chapman. WHY ?

Not sure why there is so much noise about not letting Chapman in the SCIAC. They need teams to play and this would solve the issue. What did Chapman do that prevents them from joining. I have seen posts in the past but really dont make sense in todays world with budget contraints on travel for most schools.

As history shows some current SCIAC teams did leave the SCIAC and rejoin it later. Also all teams in the SCIAC are not charter teams and have join since the inception on the SCIAC.

1934  Caltech and Pomona leave SCIAC
1943  Whittier leaves  SCIAC

Also Cal Tech is an outstanding university with outstanding students that may be some of the top students in the USA if not the world. I am sure that there are some outstanding athletes there too. BUT as a team they have not always been able to compete in all sports with teams as there

Oxy is also another outanding school in the SCIAC with many good teams with great student/athletes.

So it would nice if all could play nice in the sandbox in SOCAL.

Good luck to SCIAC teams in all sports. Chapman loves playing them and wishes they could plaay more games with the SCIAC.

[oldchap]

Despite OxyBob's rant about "playing no one and beating no one", the SCIAC teams which generally make it to the top of the Conference (Claremont, PP, Oxy) don't want Chapman in the SCIAC for the simple reason that they don't want to contend with another top competitor. Their beef is that Chapman has twice as many students as most of the other schools in the SCIAC, which arguably makes for a better pool of players. And it's not about Academics: sure, Caltech, PP, Claremont and Oxy are definitely academic powerhouses, but Chapman ranks well ahead or at least on par with Whittier, La Verne, Cal Lu and Redlands. Check the ratings from US World and News report or the statistics of entering students posted in the Princeton Review if you're not convinced.

As bad as OxyBob tries to portray Chapman's record, they nevertheless are 16-1 (the one loss suffered against CMS this season by one point) against all SCIAC teams over the last two years and have signature wins against teams which are arguably much better than average D3 teams. I can point to a win in Hawaii this season, against BYU Hawaii, a D2 team which was ranked 18th in the NABC poll at the time. Chapman's latest RPI is 58th in the nation, they are currently ranked 14th by d3hoops, 14th by the Massey Ratings, 17th in the latest posters poll and are a worthy contender to win a pool B bid this year.

I rest my case.

[CrashDavisD3]

Looks like SCIAC has no problem beating up on Chapman in football and playing them.