Bumblin' B's

[John Gleich]

Here's how RPI ranks them:

Rnk	Team	WP	wSOS
1	Chapman	0.909	0.569
2	Huntingdon	0.500	0.615
3	Maryville (Tenn.)	0.500	0.595
4	Nebraska Wesleyan	0.571	0.478
5	UC Santa Cruz	0.364	0.545
6	Rust	0.667	0.440
7	North Central (Minn.)	0.364	0.454
8	Piedmont	0.200	0.501
9	LaGrange	0.083	0.530
10	Finlandia	0.273	0.454
11	Lancaster Bible	0.300	0.424
12	Maine-Presque Isle	0.000	0.509

How rust is looking as for making the playoffd

Bleak

i kno rust my end the season at 19-6 an 14-4 in D3 so why is it Bleak

Because there is only 1 Pool B bid and Chapman almost has it locked down.  Rust is 8-4 in-region.

As I look at the Pool B teams getting a Pool C bid, I don't even think that Maryville is in shape to get one this year.  I would expect Rust to need at least 11-2 in-region record to get a bid.

You had a good schedule that could have given you a chance at a Pool B/C bid,  I definitely see 2 too many losses.   

There's always a chance that a Pool B eligible team (such as Chapman) could get a Pool C bid instead of a Pool B bid, opening up that B bid for another non-Pool A team.  B's just haven't been very good, in general, since the pool system took effect and it hasn't happened.  The B's who have gotten bids have been lucky to get them via the Pool B route... and it isn't like there have been compelling Pool B teams who didn't get bids.

Chapman is putting together a pretty good year... and this might *possibly* be the year that a B team gets a look at a C... but I think that the next B in line would have to have a compelling C slate for this to happen.

[David Collinge]

There's always a chance that a Pool B eligible team (such as Chapman) could get a Pool C bid instead of a Pool B bid, opening up that B bid for another non-Pool A team.  B's just haven't been very good, in general, since the pool system took effect and it hasn't happened.  The B's who have gotten bids have been lucky to get them via the Pool B route... and it isn't like there have been compelling Pool B teams who didn't get bids.

Chapman is putting together a pretty good year... and this might *possibly* be the year that a B team gets a look at a C... but I think that the next B in line would have to have a compelling C slate for this to happen.

Unless I am very much mistaken, the Pool B bid is decided before the Pool C bids are considered.  The top Pool B team will get a bid through that pool, and then the second-best Pool B team would be considered as part of Pool C, if their bona fides are sufficient to get them to the table.

[KnightSlappy]

There's always a chance that a Pool B eligible team (such as Chapman) could get a Pool C bid instead of a Pool B bid, opening up that B bid for another non-Pool A team.  B's just haven't been very good, in general, since the pool system took effect and it hasn't happened.  The B's who have gotten bids have been lucky to get them via the Pool B route... and it isn't like there have been compelling Pool B teams who didn't get bids.

Chapman is putting together a pretty good year... and this might *possibly* be the year that a B team gets a look at a C... but I think that the next B in line would have to have a compelling C slate for this to happen.

Unless I am very much mistaken, the Pool B bid is decided before the Pool C bids are considered.  The top Pool B team will get a bid through that pool, and then the second-best Pool B team would be considered as part of Pool C, if their bona fides are sufficient to get them to the table.

Correct. The B's (singular this year) get taken out before the C's.

[Mr. Ypsi]

There's always a chance that a Pool B eligible team (such as Chapman) could get a Pool C bid instead of a Pool B bid, opening up that B bid for another non-Pool A team.  B's just haven't been very good, in general, since the pool system took effect and it hasn't happened.  The B's who have gotten bids have been lucky to get them via the Pool B route... and it isn't like there have been compelling Pool B teams who didn't get bids.

Chapman is putting together a pretty good year... and this might *possibly* be the year that a B team gets a look at a C... but I think that the next B in line would have to have a compelling C slate for this to happen.

Unless I am very much mistaken, the Pool B bid is decided before the Pool C bids are considered.  The top Pool B team will get a bid through that pool, and then the second-best Pool B team would be considered as part of Pool C, if their bona fides are sufficient to get them to the table.

Yes, Pool B teams then go to Pool C (as I know darn well David was well aware of ), but if there has EVER been a Pool B with a legitimate chance at Pool C, I can't recall it.  There is a reason that this thread is called 'Bumblin' B's'.

If my memory is correct, the thread was named after a (12-13?) U of Dallas team got into the tourney from pool B.

Beat out Chapman for the B or forget it.

[Ralph Turner]

There's always a chance that a Pool B eligible team (such as Chapman) could get a Pool C bid instead of a Pool B bid, opening up that B bid for another non-Pool A team.  B's just haven't been very good, in general, since the pool system took effect and it hasn't happened.  The B's who have gotten bids have been lucky to get them via the Pool B route... and it isn't like there have been compelling Pool B teams who didn't get bids.

Chapman is putting together a pretty good year... and this might *possibly* be the year that a B team gets a look at a C... but I think that the next B in line would have to have a compelling C slate for this to happen.

Unless I am very much mistaken, the Pool B bid is decided before the Pool C bids are considered.  The top Pool B team will get a bid through that pool, and then the second-best Pool B team would be considered as part of Pool C, if their bona fides are sufficient to get them to the table.

Yes, Pool B teams then go to Pool C (as I know darn well David was well aware of ), but if there has EVER been a Pool B with a legitimate chance at Pool C, I can't recall it.  There is a reason that this thread is called 'Bumblin' B's'.

If my memory is correct, the thread was named after a (12-13?) U of Dallas team got into the tourney from pool B.

Beat out Chapman for the B or forget it.

Actually UDallas went 13-12 in 2004 for their Pool B bid.  They bussed 490 miles from Irving TX to Alpine to play Sul Ross State for a first round game.  Sul Ross then beat Trinity (which got the bye) in the second round.

I think that the Bumblin' B's goes back to the year that Williams beat Cazenovia, a Pool B bid from the old NEAC, by almost 50 points.  I think that was in 2002 or 2003.  (The access to the Notables where those stories are "archived" has not been activated under the new D3sports.com format.)

[oldchap]

Chapman last year passed the first round by beating CMS (Pool A, winner of the SCIAC) and then went on to loose to Whitworth in the round of 32.

Question (could be an interesting piece of trivia  ) : Which team went the farthest as a Pool B in the playoff? How far did they go? Which year was that?

Thanks.

[sac]

Maryville would be my guess.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Maryville would be my guess.

That's "Mur-ville" on these boards!  That name also came immediately to my mind.

Perhaps the year Ben Strong needed every one of about 65 points and 30+ rebounds for Guilford to top Maryville in 2 or 3 OTs (2006?).

[Ralph Turner]

Chapman last year passed the first round by beating CMS (Pool A, winner of the SCIAC) and then went on to loose to Whitworth in the round of 32.

Question (could be an interesting piece of trivia  ) : Which team went the farthest as a Pool B in the playoff? How far did they go? Which year was that?

Thanks.

Before the ASC earned its Pool A bid, McMurry went  to the Elite 8 as a Pool B in 2000.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Chapman last year passed the first round by beating CMS (Pool A, winner of the SCIAC) and then went on to loose to Whitworth in the round of 32.

Question (could be an interesting piece of trivia  ) : Which team went the farthest as a Pool B in the playoff? How far did they go? Which year was that?

Thanks.

Before the ASC earned its Pool A bid, McMurry went  to the Elite 8 as a Pool B in 2000.

Ralph, is that just our latest best guess, or do they for sure have the record?  (And apologies to you for butchering the name of my suggestion - I recall now that it was 'Mur-vul'!   I'm pretty sure the game I referenced was sweet 16, so McMurry would beat that one.)

[David Collinge]

Chapman last year passed the first round by beating CMS (Pool A, winner of the SCIAC) and then went on to loose to Whitworth in the round of 32.

Question (could be an interesting piece of trivia  ) : Which team went the farthest as a Pool B in the playoff? How far did they go? Which year was that?

Thanks.

Before the ASC earned its Pool A bid, McMurry went  to the Elite 8 as a Pool B in 2000.

Didn't McMurry beat Maryville in the Sweet 16 that year, at Calvin?

[Ralph Turner]

Chapman last year passed the first round by beating CMS (Pool A, winner of the SCIAC) and then went on to loose to Whitworth in the round of 32.

Question (could be an interesting piece of trivia  ) : Which team went the farthest as a Pool B in the playoff? How far did they go? Which year was that?

Thanks.

Before the ASC earned its Pool A bid, McMurry went  to the Elite 8 as a Pool B in 2000.

Didn't McMurry beat Maryville in the Sweet 16 that year, at Calvin?

Yes, after Murvul had beaten Hampden-Sydney.  We complain about the playoffs and the brackets now that are geographically dense with great teams.  The 2000 tourney combined the Great Lakes and South Regions.  (Calvin Wooster HSC and McMurry all in the Top 10).

Here is the Week #13 (final poll of the regular season) Top 25 for that year.        

OH NO!  I cannot find the archives of the old Top 25's on this new website!    AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

[scottiedoug]

I do not know when the Pool B stuff started but Maryville lost in the Elite 8 to Wisconsin-Platteville 87-83 in OT in 1992. 

That's Murvul, actually.  I would not argue that Maryville from Pool B has been wonderful over the many years it has been in the tournament but I do not think people who have drawn them have rejoiced at the pairings.  They have beaten a lot of teams.  Bumbling does not really capture it.

[Gregory Sager]

I do not know when the Pool B stuff started but Maryville lost in the Elite 8 to Wisconsin-Platteville 87-83 in OT in 1992.

That predates the pools system.

[petemcb]

I do not know when the Pool B stuff started but Maryville lost in the Elite 8 to Wisconsin-Platteville 87-83 in OT in 1992.

That predates the pools system.

Wow!  Is that back when Opie and Andy used to go down to the swimmin' hole?  At least must have been before the Clampetts and their cee-ment pond.