Bumblin' B's

[Mr. Ypsi]

I do not know when the Pool B stuff started but Maryville lost in the Elite 8 to Wisconsin-Platteville 87-83 in OT in 1992. 

That's Murvul, actually.  I would not argue that Maryville from Pool B has been wonderful over the many years it has been in the tournament but I do not think people who have drawn them have rejoiced at the pairings.  They have beaten a lot of teams.  Bumbling does not really capture it.

If I'm not mistaken, "Bumblin' B's" was coined the year 13-12 UDallas made it into the tourney as a B.  The last B was often vastly inferior to any legitimate C challenger.  The epithet was never (or at least not usually) intended to include Murvul!

[scottiedoug]

When did the Pool thing start?

[Pat Coleman]

The 1999-2000 season.

[gordonmann]

The two deepest runs I've found are McMurry (2000) and Penn State-Behrend (2000).  Both made the Elite Eight (i.e. Sectional Finals) as Pool B members.  Penn State-Behrend lost to Salem State in the Sectional Finals. 

I haven't seen many Sweet 16 appearances for Pool B teams, but this list could be missing a couple:

McMurry 2001: Were they Pool A at that point?
McMurry 2000 (Elite 8)
Penn State-Behrend 2000 (Elite 8)
Murville 2000 (Lost to McMurry)
Murville 2004 (Lost to John Carroll)
New Jersey City 2004 (Lost to Amherst)
Lincoln 2006 (Lost to Virginia Wesleyan)

The most obscure is NJCU's appearance in 2004.  It happened during the Gothic Knights very brief tenure outside the NJAC after they tried to move to another conference (Skyline?).

My recollection is the "Bumbling Bs" board was birthed after Williams obliterated Cazenovia 121-49 in the first round of the 2002 NCAA tournament.  That Williams team lost to Rochester in the next round, but several players were on the 2003 National Championship squad.

[Ralph Turner]

The two deepest runs I've found are McMurry (2000) and Penn State-Behrend (2000).  Both made the Elite Eight (i.e. Sectional Finals) as Pool B members.  Penn State-Behrend lost to Salem State in the Sectional Finals. 

I haven't seen many Sweet 16 appearances for Pool B teams, but this list could be missing a couple:

McMurry 2001: Were they Pool A at that point?Yes, I believe that the ASC had its Pool A bid and Mississippi College got in as a Pool C bid to play at Millsaps, the SCAC Pool A bid.
McMurry 2000 (Elite 8)
Penn State-Behrend 2000 (Elite 8)
Murville 2000 (Lost to McMurry)
Murville 2004 (Lost to John Carroll)
New Jersey City 2004 (Lost to Amherst)
Lincoln 2006 (Lost to Virginia Wesleyan)

The most obscure is NJCU's appearance in 2004.  It happened during the Gothic Knights very brief tenure outside the NJAC after they tried to move to another conference (Skyline?).

My recollection is the "Bumbling Bs" board was birthed after Williams obliterated Cazenovia 121-49 in the first round of the 2002 NCAA tournament.  That Williams team lost to Rochester in the next round, but several players were on the 2003 National Championship squad.

I think that the Bumblin' B's goes back to the year that Williams beat Cazenovia, a Pool B bid from the old NEAC, by almost 50 points.  I think that was in 2002 or 2003. (The access to the Notables where those stories are "archived" has not been activated under the new D3sports.com format.)

YES, Cazenovia!!!!!  In what is as close to "Who wants to be a D3boards.com Million  Dollar-aire?, I am affirmed by Mr Mann!   

[hopefan]

I will flat out guarantee that if someone was really interested and did whatever research necessary, they would find that yours truly, the old hopefan, originated the term bumblin' b's....  don't remember when or the specific, but do know I came up with the term because it was  used for a Western Pa. team when I played HS, and it was perfect for the more usual group of nondescript teams making up the B pool...   I was even pleased when Ypsi started up the room!!!!

You have to remember, the guy who came up with the moniker 'hopefan' before all others has to have been on these pages for a long time......

[Ralph Turner]

Solid weekend for Chapman, who won 3 more games that are in-region.  They are 14-1, with 2 games left that are "TBA".

It looks like Maryville will be scrambling for a Pool C bid.

[dahlby]

Both remaining games for Chapman "TBA" are against Dallas and UCSC in AD3I post season tourney. The series just finished, against the same schools was called the AD3I
round-robin. Real tough getting games that count this time of year. All other CU games are against NCCAA and NAIA.

[scottiedoug]

I think Maryville has figured out what it takes to win.  It took a while because so many new and young people had to step in because of key injuries and quits.  The Scots have played some very successful teams (Marietta, Emory, Centre, Guilford, NCWesleyan) but lost a few too many on the up side of the learning curve.  They could very well win out in D3 but not against teams that anybody will think matter.

Never had a Pool C bid but it would be nice!  Maybe they could play Chapman.

[Ralph Turner]

I think Maryville has figured out what it takes to win.  It took a while because so many new and young people had to step in because of key injuries and quits.  The Scots have played some very successful teams (Marietta, Emory, Centre, Guilford, NCWesleyan) but lost a few too many on the up side of the learning curve.  They could very well win out in D3 but not against teams that anybody will think matter.

Never had a Pool C bid but it would be nice!  Maybe they could play Chapman.

We await the Regional Rankings next week to see whether Murvul and Chapman are listed.   

[RustCollege]

and dont forget Rust

[ziggy]

and dont forget Rust

Rust's problem is their winning percentage looks horrible next to their weighted strength of schedule. The SOS is such a problem that a standard RPI calculation favors Murvul and Huntingdon over Rust.

Chapman .933 WP, .548 weighted SOS
Maryville .571 WP, .618 weighted SOS
Huntingdon .500 WP, .565 weighted SOS
Rust .688 WP, .428 weighted SOS

For a bit of (recent) historical context, Wheaton was probably one of the last Pool C teams a year ago. They had a .680 WP but did that with a .551 SOS. The NCAA didn't weight the SOS like they are this year but the point remains the same.

[OxyBob]

Solid weekend for Chapman, who won 3 more games that are in-region. 

Chapman beat 1-16 LeTourneau, 7-11 UCSC, and 2-15 UDallas.

More like solidly weak.

OxyBob

[RustCollege]

and dont forget Rust

Rust's problem is their winning percentage looks horrible next to their weighted strength of schedule. The SOS is such a problem that a standard RPI calculation favors Murvul and Huntingdon over Rust.

Chapman .933 WP, .548 weighted SOS
Maryville .571 WP, .618 weighted SOS
Huntingdon .500 WP, .565 weighted SOS
Rust .688 WP, .428 weighted SOS

For a bit of (recent) historical context, Wheaton was probably one of the last Pool C teams a year ago. They had a .680 WP but did that with a .551 SOS. The NCAA didn't weight the SOS like they are this year but the point remains the same.

if anything we are on the road more then any team in D3 Rust didnt hav a home game for the month of Jan and thats just sad if Huntingdon is in front of us and as for chapman they hav not played anybody....if they just let us in we will be the team to watch Rust has one of the best teams but bein on the road so much and its hard on the road (Rust is 11-5 in D3)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Solid weekend for Chapman, who won 3 more games that are in-region. 

Chapman beat 1-16 LeTourneau, 7-11 UCSC, and 2-15 UDallas.

More like solidly weak.

OxyBob

OB, your rants against Chapman's schedule are getting VERY shopworn.  Once the SCIAC starts conference play, do YOU want to try to schedule games for them?!