Bumblin' B's

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/

[dahlby]

ID3 Indy Tourney at UDallas. No atuo bid involved:

Neb Wes 83-47 over UDallas
Chapman 70-57 over UCSC

Chapman vs Neb Wes Saturday for championship.
Neb Wes defeated Chapman earlier this season.
Neb Wes record is deceiving as they play several NAIA teams up in the midwest.

[Gregory Sager]

ID3 Indy Tourney at UDallas. No atuo bid involved:

Neb Wes 83-47 over UDallas
Chapman 70-57 over UCSC

Chapman vs Neb Wes Saturday for championship.
Neb Wes defeated Chapman earlier this season.
Neb Wes record is deceiving as they play several NAIA teams up in the midwest.

NebWes is in an NAIA league. NWU has dual membership; every other school in the Great Plains Athletic Conference is NAIA-only.

[dahlby]

Gregory,
I am well aware of that. In my previous postings I have referred to that fact and also that their record could be deceiving. They handled the Chapman women's team earlier this year in Corlorado Springs and that they should not be taken lightly. The unranked CU women, as Independants, need to win almost every game to make the tourney.

Please check my prior posts regarding the NAIA games that Neb Wes plays. I am very familiar with the teams up in the midweast, as I competed against the while attending college in that "neck of the woods". What was the purpose of your post? With all due respect to someone with over 12,000 posts. Cheers, looks like Chapman will get both men's and women's in the tourney this year.

[Gregory Sager]

Gregory,
I am well aware of that. In my previous postings I have referred to that fact and also that their record could be deceiving. They handled the Chapman women's team earlier this year in Corlorado Springs and that they should not be taken lightly. The unranked CU women, as Independants, need to win almost every game to make the tourney.

Please check my prior posts regarding the NAIA games that Neb Wes plays. I am very familiar with the teams up in the midweast, as I competed against the while attending college in that "neck of the woods". What was the purpose of your post? With all due respect to someone with over 12,000 posts. Cheers, looks like Chapman will get both men's and women's in the tourney this year.

I was simply providing background information, since your post didn't really: a) clarify NWU's status; or b) elaborate upon the word "several" in your last sentence, as NWU's membership in the GPAC requires it to play a minimum of 18 of its 25 games against NAIA opponents. Eighteen of 25 strikes me as a lot more than "several."

How is your college background, or long-since-scrolled prior posts, relevant? With all due respect, I was just trying to fill in some information here. It's not about oneupsmanship; it's about sharing info.

[dahlby]

Gregory,

My post from YESTERDAY (not so long ago) simply indicated that Neb Wes record should not be indicative of their strength against a Chapman team, whether men's or women's.
I follow sporting events in that "neck of the woods" as I have several relatives with offspring playing at many of the colleges. Usually high school and college sports are the only thing to do in many of the towns, and as a result, we all follow it closely. I did as well, especially when my father was coaching some of them, including me.

But, on the otherhand, I am sure that our fellow posters appreciate your taking my simple comment to a higher level by furnishing further details.

With all due respect.

[Gregory Sager]

Gregory,

My post from YESTERDAY (not so long ago) simply indicated that Neb Wes record should not be indicative of their strength against a Chapman team, whether men's or women's.

Right. And I was following that up with some additional details to explain why.

I follow sporting events in that "neck of the woods" as I have several relatives with offspring playing at many of the colleges. Usually high school and college sports are the only thing to do in many of the towns, and as a result, we all follow it closely. I did as well, especially when my father was coaching some of them, including me.

That's great, but, again, I'm not sure how this is germane to the subject at hand.

But, on the otherhand, I am sure that our fellow posters appreciate your taking my simple comment to a higher level by furnishing further details.

That's really all I'm trying to do: Add further details. Honestly, I'm not trying to show up anyone.

[dahlby]

Background thru experience is most valuable when evaluating quality of play, especially when a team with a lower percentage of wins plays a team with a higher percentage of
wins.

This is the case with many of the NAIA teams that play D3 teams on the west coast, and also iincluding a Menlo (whose division changes quite regularly and UC Santa Cruz up in the bay area where they play many NAIA and NCCAA type teams. The records always do not speak for themself.

Your comments are taken in a positive spirit. But I do prefer that comments be "Norweign" to the topic, rather than Germane". :-)

Cheers!

[dahlby]

Saturday's Indy Tourney results:
Chapman over UCSC 91-77
Neb Wes over UDallas 57-55

[scottiedoug]

I hope Chapman represents the B's well!!

[RustCollege]

why do we have one B when we should have two...D3 need to expand its playoff from 61 to 68

[Hugenerd]

why do we have one B when we should have two...D3 need to expand its playoff from 61 to 68

The size of the field is proportional to the number of D3 teams, one for every 6.5. Same thing for Pool B, it depends only on the number of independents. In the past it has been as many as 3, but as teams join conferences and there are less independents, the number of Pool B spots also decreases. As you know, it is down to 1 this year.

[Ralph Turner]

why do we have one B when we should have two...D3 need to expand its playoff from 61 to 68

The number of bids is set at 1 bid for every 6.5 teams that sponsor the sport to fit the money that the NCAA has given D-III from the March Madness TV contract.  They are capped at 64 for fill 3 weekends, so as not to miss school.  Therefoer, two reasons for the number of schools...MONEY (that does not come from D-III itself) and missed classtime.

That gives us 61 men and 64 women's teams.

The number of Pool B bids is determined by the access ratio, which is the number of teams in Pool A conferences divided by the number of Pool A conferences.

This roughly gives us an access ratio of about 1:9.  If there were 18 independents, then there would be 2 Pool B bids.

Hugenerd beat me to it.   

[oldchap]

I hope Chapman represents the B's well!!

Ramme and Riley want to go out with a bang, so you can count on Chapman going into the post-season ready to play. Of course, the playoffs are a crapshot and particularly the D3 playoffs. Assuming that Chapman wins their first round game (although far from being a given), it is a shame that they have to run into the #2 ranked team in the round of 32. Properly seeded, this tournament would have allowed 15th ranked Chapman not to run into a higher ranked team until much later. However, they have to accept that and make the best of it. That's what upsets are for and College basketball hands out plenty of those in any given season. Go Chapman!!! Earn some respect!!!

[Ralph Turner]

I hope Chapman represents the B's well!!

Ramme and Riley want to go out with a bang, so you can count on Chapman going into the post-season ready to play. Of course, the playoffs are a crapshot and particularly the D3 playoffs. Assuming that Chapman wins their first round game (although far from being a given), it is a shame that they have to run into the #2 ranked team in the round of 32. Properly seeded, this tournament would have allowed 15th ranked Chapman not to run into a higher ranked team until much later. However, they have to accept that and make the best of it. That's what upsets are for and College basketball hands out plenty of those in any given season. Go Chapman!!! Earn some respect!!!

In Hoopsville last night, Pat Coleman made the comment about the disservice that geographic proximity does to the isolated teams from the NWC and the ASC who moved from NAIA in the mid-90's to D-III.

Division II has more teams in those geographic area relative to the Division at large.

Chapman could move to D-II.   

(Now, no one read anything into that.  I know nothing about Chapman doing anything other than trying to get into the SCIAC, win two games, this week and see the Baseball team return to Wisconsin in May.)