Bumblin' B's

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 28, 2011, 08:13:59 AM

Well.. moving to D2 would mean more overhead and budget for athletic departments... so I don't see that being a move any D3 would be willing to make in these tough times, especially.

ziggy · March 10, 2011, 12:10:58 PM

I was previously unaware that the Great West conference, 1. Exists and 2. Does not have an automatic Division I tournament bid. Revelation #2 and my familiarity with the DIII process makes me think POOL B!

Wikipedia tells me there are 346 schools in 32 Division I conferences. 31 conferences hand out automatic bids , of which 339 teams are eligible (346 minus the 7 Great West schools).

Following the DIII handbook's instructions, the Division I access ratio is 10.9

Pool B bids = # of teams/access ratio (rounded down), so... 7/10.9 = 0.642 -> 0 Pool B bids

I can't find any Division I documents that refer to a pool B but I have to believe it exists; it just so happens it provides zero bids in its existence.

Perhaps minds greater than my own have already discussed this topic but I thought it was an interesting comparison.

sac · March 10, 2011, 02:18:48 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
Well.. moving to D2 would mean more overhead and budget for athletic departments... so I don't see that being a move any D3 would be willing to make in these tough times, especially.

McMurry, Maryville, Lake Erie......I'm sure there are more.

David Collinge · March 10, 2011, 02:57:34 PM

Quote from: sac on March 10, 2011, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
Well.. moving to D2 would mean more overhead and budget for athletic departments... so I don't see that being a move any D3 would be willing to make in these tough times, especially.

McMurry, Maryville, Lake Erie......I'm sure there are more.

Maryville is going to D2? Is that Maryville MO or Murvul? First I've heard of that, but I don't get around like I used to.

Pat Coleman · March 10, 2011, 03:19:18 PM

Yeah, it's the Missouri one and they've been gone for a couple years now. Cal State-East Bay went as well, though they were NAIA in basketball and D-III only in a few sports, such as baseball.

Ralph Turner · May 12, 2011, 11:18:00 PM

Pool B in 2011-12.

Here are the Pool 10 8 definite B teams that I find, and as many as 10.

~~Lancaster Bible~~ unless joining the NEAC

U Maine - Presque Isle (Are they declaring for the NAIA next season?)

GSAC-4 (Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont) Last season for LaGrange and Piedmont.

Rust

~~Nebraska Wesleyan~~ (Are they declaring for the NCAA again? Or does the GPAC need them for the second NAIA AQ?)
Finlandia
UC Santa Cruz
North Central University (MN)

No word on full membership for North Central University in the UMAC. (The North Central men's golf team is the UMAC Pool A bid in golf this week.)

Lancaster Bible sits amid several conferences that might peer institutions. They are still an independent.

Revised -- May 19, 2011

Gregory Sager · May 13, 2011, 01:36:04 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan (Are they declaring for the NCAA again?)

It has for all 37 years of D3 men's basketball's existence. I can't imagine NWU changing now.

haterinthehouse · May 13, 2011, 02:07:07 PM

NWU will be declaring NAIA (remaining non-scholarship) in MBB and WBB for 2011-12. It looks like this has to do with their scheduling and their association to the GPAC.

gordonmann · May 13, 2011, 02:08:13 PM

If you look at the NEAC's website, you'll see Lancaster Bible listed as a full member. But if you look at Lancaster Bible's website for hoops, you'll see no mention of any such affiliation. In fact, the hoops site shows LBC as a member of the Division III Independents and the Chargers only played two NEAC schools last year. LBC participated in the NCCAA tournament.

Other D3s to D2s include Lincoln and Chestnut Hill.

Gregory Sager · May 13, 2011, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: haterinthehouse on May 13, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
NWU will be declaring NAIA (remaining non-scholarship) in MBB and WBB for 2011-12. It looks like this has to do with their scheduling and their association to the GPAC.

How do you know this? There's nothing about such a move on either the GPAC's website or NWU's.

Ralph Turner · May 19, 2011, 11:14:48 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2011, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: haterinthehouse on May 13, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
NWU will be declaring NAIA (remaining non-scholarship) in MBB and WBB for 2011-12. It looks like this has to do with their scheduling and their association to the GPAC.

How do you know this? There's nothing about such a move on either the GPAC's website or NWU's.

I think that the GPAC needs the membership to maintain a second AQ in the NAIA tourney.

The GPAC has lost membership in the last couple of years. Dana College closed its doors last year and the GPAC lost its second bid in several sports.

The University of Sioux Falls moves to NCAA D-II in 2011-12.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/sports/columnists/article_b75994ec-0d1b-5d81-a19d-e040f1ba90a2.html

Thanks to Senior Reports, where I found this link.

Ralph Turner · May 19, 2011, 11:22:50 PM

Quote from: gordonmann on May 13, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
If you look at the NEAC's website, you'll see Lancaster Bible listed as a full member. But if you look at Lancaster Bible's website for hoops, you'll see no mention of any such affiliation. In fact, the hoops site shows LBC as a member of the Division III Independents and the Chargers only played two NEAC schools last year. LBC participated in the NCCAA tournament.

Other D3s to D2s include Lincoln and Chestnut Hill.

I have always thought that the NEAC was the best place for Lancaster.

I would not be surprised if the NEAC website reported some technical information about Lancaster before the official announcement. I will bet that we see the announcement in the early summer.

The Lancaster men's 2011 soccer schedule shows NEAC conference games.

http://www.lbcchargers.com/schedule.aspx?path=msoc

gordonmann · May 25, 2011, 08:16:45 PM

I drive past Lancaster weekly for work, so I stopped by Lancaster Bible tonight to look at its facilities. It's a nice, small campus tucked away off Route 30. I drove by it twice before I found it. There's a sign advertising construction of a new student center at the college's entry way. The Horst Athletic Center is fine -- relatively new and small. And the banners of all the NEAC teams were hanging in it.

KnightSlappy · May 26, 2011, 09:52:12 AM

We'll need to have 10 pool B teams to get 1 bid, as the access ratio looks to remain around 9.3. It appears that 10 will be a stretch.

We should be getting a 62nd bid this year, I believe.

That would make:
42 Pool A, 0 Pool B, 20 Pool C or 42 Pool A, 1 Pool B, 19 Pool C

KnightSlappy · May 26, 2011, 09:54:31 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Pool B in 2011-12.

Here are the Pool 10 8 definite B teams that I find, and as many as 10.

~~Lancaster Bible~~ unless joining the NEAC

U Maine - Presque Isle (Are they declaring for the NAIA next season?)

GSAC-4 (Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont) Last season for LaGrange and Piedmont.

Rust

~~Nebraska Wesleyan~~ (Are they declaring for the NCAA again? Or does the GPAC need them for the second NAIA AQ?)
Finlandia
UC Santa Cruz
North Central University (MN)

No word on full membership for North Central University in the UMAC. (The North Central men's golf team is the UMAC Pool A bid in golf this week.)

Lancaster Bible sits amid several conferences that might peer institutions. They are still an independent.

Revised -- May 19, 2011

What about St. Joseph's (Bklyn)? They're set to become a full NCAA member. Are they still going to be independent?