Bumblin' B's

[KnightSlappy]

  So, does the 9.3 ratio mean that you need at least 11 pool B schools to get 1 bid since 9.3% X 10 < 1.0?

No, the 9.3 access ratio means you need 9.3 Pool B teams (rounded up to the nearest whole number) per Pool B bid. So bids would come at 10, 19, 28, 38, 47, 56, 66... teams. The NCAA often confuses ratios and percentages in their handbook, but they're not the same thing. 9.3:1 is not 9.3%

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just to clarify... for the NCAA tournament in Division III (and elsewhere except for D1 basketball and maybe others), the ratio for tournament slots is 6.5 teams to 1 slot. Thus, Division III women are maxed out at 64 and Division III men are currently at 62.

Now, that 6.5:1 ratio is also used to determine how many teams in each region will be regionally ranked. Thus why the Northeast has a TON and the East has barely any. (Of course, I am talking about publicly ranked... other teams to get ranked outside of the prerequisite number, we just don't see them).

The 9.3:1 ratio comes into how the remaining bids for Pool B and C are determined. AQ's already take up a vast majority of the 62 slots on the men's side, so there has to be a different ratio for the Pool B and Pool C bids. This is determined by how KnightSlappy has already demonstrated.

The question of what happens if Pool B gets "too small" is a good one and one I will actually try and get an answer to in the near future.

[KnightSlappy]

Just to clarify... for the NCAA tournament in Division III (and elsewhere except for D1 basketball and maybe others), the ratio for tournament slots is 6.5 teams to 1 slot. Thus, Division III women are maxed out at 64 and Division III men are currently at 62.

Now, that 6.5:1 ratio is also used to determine how many teams in each region will be regionally ranked. Thus why the Northeast has a TON and the East has barely any. (Of course, I am talking about publicly ranked... other teams to get ranked outside of the prerequisite number, we just don't see them).

The 9.3:1 ratio comes into how the remaining bids for Pool B and C are determined. AQ's already take up a vast majority of the 62 slots on the men's side, so there has to be a different ratio for the Pool B and Pool C bids. This is determined by how KnightSlappy has already demonstrated.

The question of what happens if Pool B gets "too small" is a good one and one I will actually try and get an answer to in the near future.

Pool C is really just determined by (# of teams / 6.5) - Pool A - Pool B

If Pool B gets "too small" (under 10, currently) then they simply don't get a bid and are lumped in with Pool C.

[Pat Coleman]

I always think of Pool B as being (Pool A eligible teams / automatic bids awarded) * Pool B eligible teams.

[CityD3]

St. Joseph's-Brooklyn beats Apprentice School last night to get to 5-2. Apprentice School took Cabrini to overtime a couple of weeks ago. A non-NCAA win, but an impressive one nevertheless

[Ralph Turner]

Over on the Pool C board, algernon has identified Centre in his South Region Ranking.  This is the only Pool B that I have seen named in the Rankings that posters are projecting.

They, or the SAA tourney winner, probably has the inside track on the Pool B pick.

[KnightSlappy]

Over on the Pool C board, algernon has identified Centre in his South Region Ranking.  This is the only Pool B that I have seen named in the Rankings that posters are projecting.

They, or the SAA tourney winner, probably has the inside track on the Pool B pick.

I only see Centre and Birmingham-Southern in the picture (winning percentage/SOS)

Centre (0.714/0.506)
Birmingham-Southern (0.737/.441)

BSU won the first meeting, they play next on Wednesday. Winner wins Pool B perhaps

The next closest is probably Rhodes (.625/.484) they've beaten Birmingham-Southern twice, but they need to make a run to get into the mix.

[KnightSlappy]

Centre beat Birmingham-Southern on Friday. I think they pretty much have the Pool B bid wrapped up.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For those of you I know want to know, there is a change in how the NCAA is calculating the SOS numbers... and it is for the better: Men's Strength of Schedule calculations changed

[Ralph Turner]

Starting the Pool B Roundup and corrections are appreciated:

Northeast:     (1)            UMaine Presque Isle
East:            (0)            None
Atlantic:        (1)            St Joseph's Brooklyn
Mid-Atlantic   (0)            None
South:          (9)            SAA-7 (Birmingham-Southern, Centre, Hendrix, Millsaps, Oglethrope, Rhodes, Sewanee, plus 3rd year provisional Berry), Rust, Huntingdon and 3rd-year Provisional Covenant
Great Lakes:   (0)           None
Midwest:         (0)           None
West             (3)           Finlandia, Neb Wesleyan, North Central MN, UC Santa Cruz

I count 14, which should mean there will be one Pool  B bid.           
         

I count 14 teams in Pool B. The bid probably goes to the best team from the SAA.

Presentation only played 4 D-III schools this year.

[gordonmann]

Presentation is officially moving to the NAIA.

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip/news/new-era-for-saints-athletics-presentation-college-officially-joins-the-naia.htm

[Ralph Turner]

Starting the Pool B Roundup and corrections are definitely appreciated:

Northeast:     (0)            UMaine Presque Isle  Apparently going USCAA; they only play 7 D-3 games this season.
East:            (0)            None
Atlantic:        (1)            St Joseph's Brooklyn
Mid-Atlantic   (0)            None
South:          (8)            SAA-7 (Birmingham-Southern, Centre, Hendrix, Millsaps, Oglethrope, Rhodes, Sewanee, plus 4th year provisional Berry) and Rust.
Great Lakes:   (0)           None
Midwest:         (0)           None
West             (3 2)           Finlandia (Men are playing 14 D3 games this year; the Women are in the Great South AC.), Neb Wesleyan (Did they/if they get their exemption?), UC Santa Cruz

I count 12 11, which should mean there will be one Pool  B bid.           
         
The bid probably goes to the best team from the SAA.

Thanks, Dave

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Nebraska Wesleyan did not apply for an exemption from conversations I have had a few months ago. Those exemptions are made by May for the upcoming season(s).

[sac]

The tournament manual's for both the men and women have Pool B with 17 teams yet doesn't identify them.

Anybody have a clue on who those 17 teams are?

Only 11 have been identified on here, who are the other 6?
SAA Conference(8 teams)
Finlandia
UC-Santa Cruz
St. Joseph's Brooklyn

[KnightSlappy]

The tournament manual's for both the men and women have Pool B with 17 teams yet doesn't identify them.

Anybody have a clue on who those 17 teams are?

Only 11 have been identified on here, who are the other 6?
SAA Conference(8 teams)
Finlandia
UC-Santa Cruz
St. Joseph's Brooklyn

From Appendix B:

St. Joseph’s College (Brooklyn)
State University of New York at Canton*
Sarah Lawrence College*
Valley Forge Christian College*
Maranatha Baptist Bible College
University of Maine, Presque Isle
Berry College
Birmingham-Southern College
Centre College
Covenant College
Hendrix College
Huntingdon College
Millsaps College
Oglethorpe University
Rhodes College
Rust College
University of the South
University of California, Santa Cruz
Finlandia University
Nebraska Wesleyan University

*Provisional Member