Bumblin' B's

[Pat Coleman]

What they won't take into account is:

(without five key Lion players)

[jack johnson]

njlincolnlion:

so basically Lincoln is looking for a Bethany win over Westminster that will most likely drop them down and allow Lincoln to move into the 3rd and final spot.....i have seen some talk about Lincoln possibly getting a Pool C bid if one of the PrAC teams would get the nod ahead of them - do you know the chances of this happening

[sac]

njlincolnlion:

so basically Lincoln is looking for a Bethany win over Westminster that will most likely drop them down and allow Lincoln to move into the 3rd and final spot.....i have seen some talk about Lincoln possibly getting a Pool C bid if one of the PrAC teams would get the nod ahead of them - do you know the chances of this happening

As long as Lincoln appears on the final regional rankings they'll have a shot at a pool C.   If they aren't ranked they won't come up in Pool C discussions.  That ranking is not released to the public.

[Pat Coleman]

They don't have to be in the top eight in the Mid-Atlantic, though, to be considered for a Pool C, at least not technically. The committee chairs go into the selection call with a deeper list of ranked teams in case all of theirs get selected.

The odds of more than a couple of Mid-Atlantic at-large teams getting bids are not good, however.

[scottiedoug]

Ralph you have confused me, which is not hard to do.

You say there are four bids and others say three.  Which is it?

Maryville has a better record, higher win %, and higher QOWI than Westminster and you have ranked Westminster 2 and Maryville 3. ??

[David Collinge]

There are three pool B bids for the men's tournament.

Based on the sponsorship data, the following allocations will be implemented for the 2007 championship:
Pool A   37 teams
Pool B   3 teams   # Pool B teams/Access ratio
Pool C   19 teams   Field size - Pool A - Pool B

It seems like I quote the Handbook in about every fifth post these days.  I strongly recommend that people interested in how the tournament teams are selected or how the tournament is run download the handbook from the NCAA site:

Click here to download the Handbook

By the way, the "measurements" for the women's tournament are 39-4-20. 

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph you have confused me, which is not hard to do.

You say there are four bids and others say three.  Which is it?

Maryville has a better record, higher win %, and higher QOWI than Westminster and you have ranked Westminster 2 and Maryville 3. ??

Good point. 

Since Maryville is ranked 4th in the South Region as well, I will move them up in my Pool B listing.

Westminster is probably closer to the bubble.

1)  Aurora/NAthCon/21-1/19-2/.905/10.475/2 + conf. tourney (Ranked #4 in Midwest Region)
2)  Maryville/GSAC/ 18-5/ 18-3/ .857/ 9.900/ 1 in-region + conf. tourney (Ranked #4 in the South Region)
3)  Westminster PA/PresAC/16-7/14-3/ .824/ 9.118/ 2 +  conf. tourney (Win over Bethany)

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4)  Lincoln PA/Ind/15-7/10-3/ .769/ 9.769/ (no tourney confirmed)*  (Ranked #7 in the Mid-Atlantic Region.)

[Spencer Beaty]

two of maryville's losses are two either d2 teams or naia teams, because no one will play them.  I cannot see why they would play us though there is nothing to gain for playing a team with no respect and everything to lose including the game.

[njlincolnlion]

Ralph:

If I were to apply Spencer Beatty's logic for Maryville's record to Lincoln, four of the Lions seven losses were to DII or NAIA teams.  As a matter of fact, Point Park (NAIA) in Pittsburgh is ranked sixth nationally, and the University of the District of Columbia is ranked eighth in DII's regional pool.

I know the PSU-Altoona loss really hurt Lincoln, and non D3 wins/losses  are taken into consideration for D3 playoff bids. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So where are we at now? (Ranked by QOWI number, every B team over 8.000)

1. Aurora is 19-2 with a 10.476 and they'll probably stay #4 in the Midwest.  No wins over regionally ranked teams.  They're probably a lock at this point, right?

2. Maryville is 18-3 with a 9.905 and they'll probably stay #4 in the South.  They have a win over ranked team Centre.

3. Lincoln is 10-3 with a 9.769 and they'll probably stay #7 in the Mid-Atlantic.  They have a win over ranked team Ramapo.

4. Westminster is 14-3 with a 9.118 and they don't break into the rankings this week.  No wins over ranked teams.

5. Edgewood is 13-7 with an 8.80 and they don't have a shot at being ranked.  They have a win over ranked team Aurora.

6. St. Joseph (ME) is 10-5 with an 8.667 and they don't have a shot at being ranked.  They have a win over Husson, who is likely to be ranked this week.

7. Dominican is 12-9 with an 8.591 and they won't be ranked.  No winds over ranked teams.

t8. Lakeland is 11-8 with an 8.316.  Not ranked and no wins over ranked teams.

t8. Bethany is 14-5 with an 8.316.  Not ranked and no wins over ranked teams.

10. Chapman is 11-5 with an 8.063.  Not ranked and no wins over ranked teams.

11. Wisconsin Lutheran is 12-9 with an 8.048.  Not ranked, but a win over ranked team Aurora.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

At this point, I'd have to think Lincoln is above the PrAC winner.

I can't believe anyone below St Joe's even has a prayer at this point.

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/02/14/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2/

[Lefty]

Lincoln beats NJCU 79-76.

[WLCALUM83]

Edgewood routed Concordia-WI tonight.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Lincoln beats NJCU 79-76.

I think this puts Lincoln in a good spot.