Bumblin' B's

[gordonmann]

Floating --

Pool B does not distinguish between which conferences teams are in.  It never has.

It's an allocation set aside for independent teams and members of conferences without AQs.  If the four best candidates are from one conference, so be it.  There have been several occassions where the same conference got multiple Pool B bids in football without much notice.

Yes, the NAthC will get a Pool A bid later.  But they don't get it now and there was no guarantee in November that any of their teams would make the tournament.  What you're proposing -- letting the first place team in and putting the rest in Pool C -- basically eliminates the distinction between a conference with an AQ and a conference without one.

[gccfan]

Westminster may have had their bubble burst tonight getting upset by Grove City in the PrAC semi finals, 86-67... Great job by my Wolverines!!!

[sac]

Not necessarily, I think they still look good even with the loss,  no one behind them would overwhelm the committee, unless Bethany wins out.  A number of these teams will finish their years with a loss.  But I haven't calculated any QOWI's.

Aurora       10.3         game friday  -vs- Lakeland
Lincoln       10.0
Maryville(tn) 9.773    game friday -vs- Huntingdon
Westminster 9.737    game tonight -vs- Grove City

Edgewood    8.696     game friday  @ Dominican
Dominican     8.692     game friday -vs- Edgewood
Bethany        8.667     game tonight -vs- Wash & Jeff
Lakeland       8.261     game friday  @ Aurora
Chapman      8.118     game friday  -vs- Colo. College (@ Nebra Wesl)
St. Joseph     8.056     game friday -vs- Mitchell

[njlincolnlion]

Lincoln plays Newbury friday night at St. Joseph (ME) in the AD3I (Association of Division 3 Independents). St. Joseph plays Mitchell in the other game with the championship game played on Saturday.

[Ralph Turner]

Westminster may have had their bubble burst tonight getting upset by Grove City in the PrAC semi finals, 86-67... Great job by my Wolverines!!!

gcc fan, I believe that pabegg has discovered the best news of the day for Westminster.  Southern Virginia Vermont was incorrectly omitted from the list of independents, and thus becomes the 38th Pool B team.  That gives the 4th Pool B bid.

Westminster owes the Southern Virginia Vermont Athletic Department a round of steak dinners!

Paying too much attention to Ben Hur!

[David Collinge]

Southern Vermont.  I know Calvin Coolidge seemed like 8 presidents all wrapped up into one, but Vermont and Virginia actually are different states. 

[gccfan]

ahh... too bad.  Nothing like keeping a rival out with a key win.  Any chance that W&J or GCC would be put in for winning the PrAC?  I'm guessing no because neither has a great record.  Does a conference tournament championship count for anything in these matters?

[David Collinge]

ahh... too bad.  Nothing like keeping a rival out with a key win.  Any chance that W&J or GCC would be put in for winning the PrAC?  I'm guessing no because neither has a great record.  Does a conference tournament championship count for anything in these matters?

The Prexy Conference championship doesn't count for anything, selection-wise, at least not this year.  But I'm sure that Grove's players would still gladly accept it! 

[Pat Coleman]

Pool B was intended for independents and teams that are in leagues that have 6 or less teams. 

Pool B was intended for teams that don't have access to automatic bids, as mentioned by others. No more, no less. The NEAC had more than six teams and no AQ for a couple years, as did the AMCC. This isn't a new phenomenon.

Now that Chapman has figured out how to schedule enough to get into the tournament, it needs to focus on winning more games.

[Pat Coleman]

Through Thursday:

Rank   QOWI   Rk in-reg   Team   Reg. W-L   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Mississippi College   0.952 (20-1)   22-2
8   10.625   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.600   1   Lake Erie   0.950 (19-1)   23-2
10   10.520   5   Rhode Island College   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
13   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
14   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
15   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
16   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
17   10.292   1   Ramapo   0.792 (19-5)   20-7
18   10.250   3   Aurora   0.913 (21-2)   23-2
19   10.238   3   DePauw   0.900 (18-2)   21-4
20   10.217   6   Keene State   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
21   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
23   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   17-7
26   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
27   10.083   4   Augustana   0.833 (20-4)   20-5
28   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
29   10.000   4   Averett   0.800 (16-4)   18-6
30   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
31   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
32   9.960   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
33   9.957   2   John Carroll   0.739 (17-6)   18-8
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
35   9.909   7   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
36   9.900   3   Wooster   0.900 (18-2)   23-3
37   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
39   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
40   9.778   6   Centre   0.778 (14-4)   20-4
41   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
42   9.773   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
43   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
44   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
45   9.739   7   Alvernia   0.913 (21-2)   22-4
46   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
47   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
48   9.708   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
49   9.667   4   Hope   0.833 (15-3)   22-3
50   9.667   4   New Jersey City   0.708 (17-7)   18-8
51   9.636   8   McMurry   0.818 (18-4)   19-6
52   9.625   9   Husson   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
53   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
54   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.476   6   Wittenberg   0.810 (17-4)   22-4
57   9.450   7   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
58   9.429   5   Elmhurst   0.762 (16-5)   20-5
59   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
60   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
61   9.318   6   Grinnell   0.727 (16-6)   17-6
62   9.300   7   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.650 (13-7)   17-8
63   9.273   10   Greensboro   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
64   9.261   10   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
65   9.250   11   Bridgewater State   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
66   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
67   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
68   9.200   8   Capital   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
69   9.190   9   Baldwin-Wallace   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
70   9.190   12   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
71   9.190   8   Plattsburgh State   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
73   9.143   6   Rowan   0.714 (15-6)   20-6
74   9.136   11   Villa Julie   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
75   9.130   10   Penn State-Behrend   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
76   9.111   13   Western New England   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
77   9.083   12   Susquehanna   0.583 (14-10)   16-10
78   9.083   11   Otterbein   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
79   9.048   8   Carthage   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
80   9.045   13   Juniata   0.682 (15-7)   16-10
81   9.043   7   SUNY-Old Westbury   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
82   9.000   14   Babson   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
83   9.000   8   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.667 (16-8)   18-9
84   9.000   11   Millsaps   0.737 (14-5)   17-8
85   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
86   8.962   14   York (Pa.)   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
87   8.958   9   William Paterson   0.625 (15-9)   15-10
88   8.955   15   Ursinus   0.682 (15-7)   16-9
89   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
90   8.952   14   Buena Vista   0.667 (14-7)   17-8
91   8.952   15   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
92   8.950   12   Carnegie Mellon   0.524 (11-10)   12-11
93   8.917   9   Transylvania   0.667 (16-8)   17-8
94   8.905   10   Carroll   0.667 (14-7)   14-8
95   8.889   11   North Central   0.611 (11-7)   16-9
96   8.880   16   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
97   8.800   15   Elms   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
98   8.783   17   Simpson   0.609 (14-9)   18-9
99   8.769   16   Lasell   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
100   8.760   10   Rutgers-Newark   0.600 (15-10)   17-10
101   8.750   16   Mary Washington   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
102   8.750   12   Bluffton   0.667 (14-7)   18-7
103   8.727   9   Vassar   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
104   8.720   18   Bethel   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
105   8.696   17   Williams   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
106   8.696   10   Oswego State   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
107   8.696   13   Edgewood   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
108   8.692   14   Dominican   0.654 (17-9)   17-9
109   8.684   17   Chestnut Hill   0.696 (16-7)   18-8
110   8.682   18   Baptist Bible   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
111   8.680   11   Clarkson   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
112   8.667   18   Gordon   0.667 (16-8)   19-8
113   8.667   12   Geneseo State   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
114   8.652   12   Texas-Dallas   0.696 (16-7)   18-7
115   8.600   19   Middlebury   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
116   8.556   13   Calvin   0.667 (12-6)   16-9
117   8.545   14   Bethany   0.682 (15-7)   19-8
118   8.522   13   Rochester Tech   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
119   8.500   19   Haverford   0.600 (12-8)   13-11
120   8.500   15   Ohio Wesleyan   0.636 (14-8)   17-9
121   8.500   20   Mass-Dartmouth   0.583 (14-10)   14-12
122   8.478   21   Westfield State   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
123   8.462   20   St. Mary's (Md.)   0.577 (15-11)   16-11
124   8.429   14   Ithaca   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
125   8.429   15   Webster   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
126   8.423   22   Endicott   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
127   8.391   15   SUNYIT   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
128   8.364   16   Lake Forest   0.591 (13-9)   14-9
129   8.353   19   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.588 (10-7)   15-10
130   8.333   23   Bowdoin   0.583 (14-10)   15-10
131   8.320   11   St. Joseph's (L.I.)   0.640 (16-9)   17-9
132   8.304   24   Emerson   0.652 (15-8)   16-9
133   8.304   12   York (N.Y.)   0.696 (16-7)   17-10
134   8.300   17   MacMurray   0.650 (13-7)   16-8
135   8.286   13   Trinity (Texas)   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
136   8.280   25   Rivier   0.720 (18-7)   19-8
137   8.261   18   Lakeland   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
138   8.238   19   Ripon   0.571 (12-9)   13-9
139   8.227   14   LeTourneau   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
140   8.208   20   Franklin   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
141   8.190   21   Defiance   0.619 (13-8)   16-8
142   8.190   22   Mt. St. Joseph   0.571 (12-9)   13-12
143   8.182   21   Wilkes   0.500 (11-11)   12-11
144   8.176   16   Tri-State   0.647 (11-6)   16-8
145   8.160   26   MIT   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
146   8.143   22   Lycoming   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
147   8.143   23   Hanover   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
148   8.118   20   Chapman   0.706 (12-5)   19-5
149   8.111   15   Hendrix   0.556 (10-8)   15-9
150   8.095   21   UW-Platteville   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
151   8.056   27   St. Joseph's (Maine)   0.611 (11-7)   17-7
152   8.048   24   Lawrence   0.524 (11-10)   13-10
153   8.043   23   Lebanon Valley   0.522 (12-11)   14-11
154   8.042   24   Widener   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
155   8.000   28   Springfield   0.462 (12-14)   12-14
156   8.000   22   Gustavus Adolphus   0.538 (14-12)   14-13
157   7.962   29   Wentworth Tech   0.615 (16-10)   16-11
158   7.960   16   Hardin-Simmons   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
159   7.958   17   Heidelberg   0.500 (12-12)   13-13
160   7.958   30   Western Connecticut   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
161   7.955   31   Eastern Connecticut   0.545 (12-10)   15-11
162   7.952   17   Roanoke   0.619 (13-8)   16-10
163   7.917   16   RPI   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
164   7.917   25   Wisconsin Lutheran   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
165   7.909   26   Manchester   0.545 (12-10)   15-10
166   7.900   25   Marymount   0.500 (10-10)   14-11
167   7.895   18   Albion   0.526 (10-9)   10-15
168   7.889   27   Fontbonne   0.556 (10-8)   14-11
169   7.889   23   Pacific   0.556 (10-8)   12-13
170   7.880   19   Wilmington   0.480 (12-13)   13-13
171   7.875   18   LaGrange   0.625 (10-6)   17-8
172   7.875   19   Oglethorpe   0.542 (13-11)   14-11
173   7.870   26   Gettysburg   0.565 (13-10)   13-12
174   7.864   24   Carleton   0.500 (11-11)   11-15
175   7.857   17   Union   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
176   7.826   13   Kings Point   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
177   7.808   32   Curry   0.577 (15-11)   15-12
178   7.783   20   Hampden-Sydney   0.565 (13-10)   16-10
179   7.773   27   Albright   0.364 (8-14)   10-14
180   7.773   18   Alfred   0.455 (10-12)   10-14
181   7.739   33   Emmanuel   0.478 (11-12)   12-15
182   7.739   28   North Park   0.478 (11-12)   13-12
183   7.727   19   Buffalo State   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
184   7.708   20   Hobart   0.417 (10-14)   11-14
185   7.706   20   Adrian   0.588 (10-7)   10-14
186   7.692   28   Pitt-Bradford   0.538 (14-12)   14-12
187   7.667   21   Grove City   0.524 (11-10)   15-12
188   7.667   21   Oneonta State   0.476 (10-11)   11-15
189   7.667   29   Eureka   0.571 (12-9)   15-9
190   7.654   25   St. Olaf   0.500 (13-13)   13-14
191   7.650   14   Montclair State   0.400 (8-12)   12-12
192   7.609   29   Eastern   0.609 (14-9)   16-11
193   7.609   22   Nazareth   0.435 (10-13)   11-14
194   7.591   15   Kean   0.455 (10-12)   13-12
195   7.583   30   Moravian   0.458 (11-13)   11-14
196   7.579   21   Methodist   0.421 (8-11)   11-14
197   7.571   22   Southwestern   0.476 (10-11)   11-14
198   7.565   31   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
199   7.565   34   Castleton State   0.565 (13-10)   15-11
200   7.545   16   New Jersey   0.409 (9-13)   12-14

[Former Player/ Former Coach]

Now that Chapman has figured out how to schedule enough to get into the tournament, it needs to focus on winning more games.

I never said chapman deserved to get in.....the numbers are what they are.  They have played well enough to beat Division II Hawaii Pacific and close loses to Puget Sound and Oxy, but that won't get them in.  Pat try removing that chip off your shoulder, wasn't claiming to have all the answers, just seem like a flaw in the system.  A little harsh when your attacking them for 19 wins and possibly two more for not winning enough games.  Everyone of your comments about chapman is negative. What's up?? 

[NICNAC]

Hey Pat,

What are the chances that Dominican receive a bid to the tournament, lets say they win out and beat Aurora for the NAC championship. Does that give them any credit?

[gccfan]

The Prexy Conference championship doesn't count for anything, selection-wise, at least not this year.  But I'm sure that Grove's players would still gladly accept it! 
[/quote]

I can vouch for that one,  I was actually on Coach Lamie's 98-99 squad that won the conference and it was a great feeling.

[Ralph Turner]

Hey Pat,

What are the chances that Dominican receive a bid to the tournament, lets say they win out and beat Aurora for the NAC championship. Does that give them any credit?

No, not this year.  If the NIIC members had "joined" the  Lake Michigan Conference which had kept its Pool A bids, then this tourney would likely be for the Bid.

The Presidents of the institutions of the respective conferences elected to create a brand new conference.  That is the reason for the delay in the transition to Pool A.

[pabegg]

Looks like Pool B is done. I can't see any way that the big 4 don't get in.

So congrats to Aurora, Maryville TN, Lincoln, and Westminster PA.

Aurora could be playing for seeding. If they win out, they could pass WashU (or Chicago) and Augustana to reach the #2 spot in the MW, which would likey see them as hosts.