Bumblin' B's

[David Collinge]

Yes the key is good quality teams

Hmmm lets think of some good quality independent teams in the west......uh drawing a blank

Nebraska Wesleyan.

[LogShow]

They were being discussed on another board, I think the D3 VS D1/D2/NAIA, because they just lost to University of Sioux Falls  39-75.  13-11 overall...that's tough to justify for a good team.

[Ralph Turner]

Yes the key is good quality teams

Hmmm lets think of some good quality independent teams in the west......uh drawing a blank

Neb Wesleyan, UDallas, Chapman and UC Santa Cruz are the four best (and only) teams in that Administrative Region.  The schools in the UMAC don't count, as I understand it.

[Pat Coleman]

Pool B is the focus of this week's Around the Nation.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/

[gordonmann]

Keeping with the Pool B theme...

D3hoops.com will broadcast Saturday's Scranton/Moravian doubleheader live from Johnston Hall in Bethlehem...

5:30 pm - Women: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds
7:30 pm - Men: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds

The broadcast will be available at www.d3hoops.com/audio starting with pregame coverage 10 minutes before tipoff.

[Pat Coleman]

Way to B, G ...

[LogShow]

No pun intended

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

They were being discussed on another board, I think the D3 VS D1/D2/NAIA, because they just lost to University of Sioux Falls  39-75.  13-11 overall...that's tough to justify for a good team.

LogShow... we chatted with Nebraska Wesleyan's Coach Cam Shuknecht back in the beginning of January back on Hoopsville. We certainly chatted about this situation. You might get some of the info you are interested in.

[gordonmann]

Way to B, G ...

Hey, just doing my part to help track who is stayin' alive, stayin' alive.

Hah Hah Hah Hah stayin alive stayin alive

[LogShow]

They were being discussed on another board, I think the D3 VS D1/D2/NAIA, because they just lost to University of Sioux Falls  39-75.  13-11 overall...that's tough to justify for a good team.

LogShow... we chatted with Nebraska Wesleyan's Coach Cam Shuknecht back in the beginning of January back on Hoopsville. We certainly chatted about this situation. You might get some of the info you are interested in.

Thanks for the link d-mac!

[buck1053]

I take it the dream is over for Green Mountain.

I think the dream ended with their first d3 loss.

GMC actually, I think, had a shot, but a loss to Lyndon State last week probably did them in. They did beat Castelton, at Caselton this week, but probably won't be enough, even if they win the Independent tourney this weekend.

Lyndon State is only Year-2 in the provisional process.  The game does not affect the in-region record.

So, Ralph, what's your feeling on GMC's chances? They are now at 19-5 overall, with a weak schedule. If they win the Northeast Indy tourney this weekend, do they get in? Or is the weak schedule too much to overcome?

[Ralph Turner]

I take it the dream is over for Green Mountain.

I think the dream ended with their first d3 loss.

GMC actually, I think, had a shot, but a loss to Lyndon State last week probably did them in. They did beat Castleton, at Castleton this week, but probably won't be enough, even if they win the Independent tourney this weekend.

Lyndon State is only Year-2 in the provisional process.  The game does not affect the in-region record.

So, Ralph, what's your feeling on GMC's chances? They are now at 19-5 overall, with a weak schedule. If they win the Northeast Indy tourney this weekend, do they get in? Or is the weak schedule too much to overcome?

Good evening Buck, I calculate GMC's in-region record at 15-4.  I think that the OWP is much too low.

Perhaps they would have gotten some consideration if they had beaten Bard, Eastern Connecticut, and Newbury to go 18-1.

I think that the committee would have had a hard time telling an independent that winning all of their in-region (practically speaking, "conference" games) wasn't enough.  Is 18-1 that far off?

[Ralph Turner]

As we wind down in 2008, here is what we can project for Pool B in 2008-09.

New England Collegiate Conference (NECC):  8 full members-- Four teams move out of the North Atlantic Conference (Becker, Elms, Lesley and Wheelock which is adding Men's basketball) to join Daniel Webster from the GNAC and the independents Mitchell (a fourth-year provisional in 2008-09), Newbury, and Southern Vermont.  At the earliest, this conference will get a Pool A in 2010-11. (The North Atlantic Conference has two years to return to 7 full members.  The NEAC also loses members to various conferences and has two years to return to 7 full members.)

Landmark Conference (LAND):  8 members spend one more year in Pool B.

Great South AC (GSAC): 4 members.

Upper Midwest AC (UMAC):  7 members.  This includes 3 establish members (St Scholastica, Northland and Martin Luther) and four new members coming from D-II (UMinn-Morris) and Provisional status (Bethany Lutheran, Crown and Northwestern).  The UMAC should get Pool A in 2010-11.

Independents:  5 members, including Rust and UDallas (South), Chapman, UC Santa Cruz and Neb Wesleyan (West).

New independents completing provisional status in August 2008:  1 member -- UMaine-Presque Isle.

I count 33 Pool B schools.  The access ratio probably means that there will be 3 Pool B bids in 2008-09.  There are 8 new schools anticipated in D-III in 2008-09, which means one new bid, making the progression of the NATHC to Pool A a wash in Pool B (60 bids total).

Northern Athletics Conference (NATHC):  12 members move to Pool A in 2008-09.

I anticipate 39 Pool A bids, 3 Pool B bids and 18 Pool C bids.


Corrections are greatly appreciated.

[buck1053]

(The North Atlantic Conference has two years to return to 7 full members.  The NEAC also loses members to various conferences and has two years to return to 7 full members.)



Corrections are greatly appreciated.

Ralph,
Thanks for the response to my previous question, not really sure how DIII selections of the at-large variety work, so a quick analysis like the one you gave helps. If I knew how to give karma (though I don't know if I've been a member long enough to do so).

Anyway, as far as the NAC, I know Green Mountain will be a member next year.

[newenglandball]

lyndon state will also bein the NAC.. rumor has is that UMPI (presque isle) will be applying to the NAC.