Who Is running the Grinnell system?

[TeeDub]

Hoops Fan...

BINGO!!

[hjmphelp]

Ah, jeez you guys! Don;t be giving this stuff away!

[hjmphelp]

HUGE win for Grinnell tonight-avenging 2 losses to Beloit last year with a 30 pt victory (approx) 133-104

Grinnell's version of the system his hitting on all cylinders!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Sounds like I missed a good one.  How did Roop look in the GC t-shirt?

[hjmphelp]

Grinnell 110
Ripon 104

All defense!!!! Seriously!!!

[The Roop]

Hoops,

As always "The Roop" looks good in whatever he is wearing.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Grinnell is looking strong.  I'm sorry I missed this weekend, but things may be even more tense in January when I do finally make it to Darby.

I'm glad I'll at least get to see a team firing on all cylinders.  It's nice to see the best show on hardwood has rebounded (pun definately intended) from last year.

[jeffdc]

Interesting discussion going on over in the MWC area about the System - Grinnell-style vs. Redlands. Worth a look.

[digs]

Trying to bring the discussion from the MWC board to where it might rightfully belong...  I know Jeffp will follow, but who knows about Jordis and Old Fighting Scot.

I think we need to remember that Old Fighting Scot has more first hand knowledge than anyone else.  From what I can gather Jeffp has not seen Redlands and Jordis has not seen Grinnell.  From reading the SCIAC board it sounds as if Redlands is down this year although they don't get much respect on that board anyway (like Grinnell used to be on the MWC board).  Basically what he is saying is that from what he has seen, Redlands is not as good as the Grinnell teams he played against or watched.  It is an opinion from someone that has seen both.  Take it as that.  It is not every day that a Monmouth guy is complementing Grinnell or the system.

As far as OFS's comments about the shooters and teams that Grinnell has had over the years, he is making comments on his observations which are a few games a year--mostly away from Darby.  I would have to agree that in my memory the early system teams had some great shooters and while recent teams have had some too, it is hard to forget the likes of Jeff Clement or Ed Brands dropping 40-60 poinst on opponents.  (Kind of gets burnt into the brain, like a Petefish playing for IC--doesn't one of them still play there.)  These guys also tended to hit shots from further out than current shooters IMO.  Of course no one sees more Grinnell games than Jeffp so he probably has a point that the number of shooters has been as high all along.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Way to be the peacemaker digs.  Good show.

[TeeDub]

It often takes one removed from the 'argument' to put it all in perspective...thanks Digs.

[hjmphelp]

Digs-
great points for a volley ball coach!

Point I made earlier on the MWC site still stands-One or two (or 3) great shooters years back and now (last 5 or six years minus last year) 4-9 shooters, and this year 8-11 that can hit the magic %. Granted, S Nordy was a tow-the-line shooter, but Wood and Malinowski could shoot deep. You aint seen Grotberg either! However, no one could shoot like Brands-from 30 ft with 3 guys hanging on(one was probably OFS at times). My biggest point is still that you can't judge from a few games (I don't think you have seen many in the last 6 or seven years, digs. Am I right?) I HAVE seen Redlands on tape thanks to two friends and I can tell you that the team looks as close to GC system as possible, maybe just a bit more frightening, and maybe just a bit faster (til this year). As more recruits become interested in GBall, there will be even better talent in years to come. Same holds for Redlands. And again, they are just about the same place GC was years ago. Remember too, that some of these same guys were shooting lights out last year, and are not producing this year. It happens, but still early in the season to make a blanket statement concerning a team with proven players.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Redlands was downright scary last year and they still didn't have the horses to do anything in their conference.  Add that to the drop-off in production this year and its more a statement about the development of the program than it is about the development of the system.

[hjmphelp]

Amen, Hoops Fan!

[digs]

Jeffp,

You are correct, I rarely get to see Grinnell as does OFS.  My point about the shooters is based on this.  The old teams always had 2-3 guys that were consistantly lights out, so if you only saw the team once or twice a year you tended to remember these guys.  Now they have more, but because of this the shooters/scorers they do have make less of an impression--each one gets less opportunities (even in the system there are only so many shots to go around 100 divided by 3 is a lot larger than 100 divided by 8 ).

Hoops,

You are absolutely correct and all OFS said to start this whole thing was that Redlands wasn't as good as Grinnell which is essentially what everyone agrees to.  OFS was just a little less political in his initial statement.