Who Is running the Grinnell system?

[TeeDub]

1) Take 100 shots a game
2) 50% of those shots are 3 pt attempts
3) Force 32 turnovers
4) Get offensive rebounds on 33% of the shots
5) Take 30 more shots than the opponent

Jeff....it seems to be getting harder and harder to meet those goals...especially number 3 

JR

[hjmphelp]

JR-
ouch!

Nice win for Redlands this weekend BTW!

[TeeDub]

Nice win for Redlands this weekend BTW!

Especially since we shot 16% from 3 in the second half....22% for the game....plus we didn't get the turnover numbers either...

[czarbubar]

Also, in the original system calculus they tried to count trips past the hash marks by other teams "bigs"...I think the number they shot for was 150.  That has changed, but I always thought it was the most inventive of the goals.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Interesting piece of history there.  I suppose that dated back to when the teams in the MWC weren't quite so athletic and well, in shape.

[hjmphelp]

Ah yes! The days when GoonBall reigned supreme!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Grotberg played an extra 16 minutes, but only took an extra five shots.  I can imagine Coach A is running those numbers right now with a frown.  I know he wanted Grotberg to take 30 a game now that Nordlund is out, but I would think those extra minutes of wear on the player may not be worth the small amount of extra production he got.  Jeff, correct me if I'm wrong, but his 4-15 from three is still well, well below what he's been shooting from the arc this year right?

[hjmphelp]

yup, it is. He looked tired by the 1/2 way point in the 2nd half, all his treys were in the first  but he accomplished one thing i didn't think about even though his shooting from treyland was off. He is so good, they had to keep doubling him, even off the ball (which he was all night since he played the off guard all night). That left everyone else open including Jr, Guzman,Langenhan and Carlson. They produced the triples and JG led the defensse astray. Whenever they left him alone he just totally burned the big men inside. 27 pts in the 1st and 10 in the second all on drives to the basket. This strategy drove me crazy till I finally had the chance to sit down and analyze the effect it had. With all the injuries on this team it was a new twist that worked in unexpected ways.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yeah, I didn't think about that.  Those "other guys" are all good, quality players with good shooting touches.  They couldn't get open because Lawrence is so good on defense, but against weaker defensive teams it makes sense.  Keeping Grotberg on the floor demands a double team at all time, then the GC ball movement works much better.  If they decide to call your bluff, you still have Grotberg open for a drive or a three of his own.  Very smart.

[digs]

My guess is that if they go this way for a while, John will get better.  Even in as good of shape as these kids are it takes the body a while to adjust to the extra minutes--actually it is more the body adjusting to the rest patterns as much as the minutes played.  Others have played the minutes in the past -- no doubt John can as well.  Now on back to back nights on the road...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well if that's truly the thought behind it (using Grotberg as a decoy) it can be used sporadically or as needed throughout a weekend, maybe giving him 24 or 26 minutes rather than 34 and still help the team.  It's a very nice option for a coach to have.

[digs]

Short article about a hs team using the system.  Currently ranked #3 in the state of WI.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060131/GPG0205/601310518/1238

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Are you sure they are using the system?  My brother's high school team won a couple state titles running and gunning.  They took a lot of threes and averaged 90 ppg with several games over 110.  They were also accused of running up the score, even when the end of the bench was in, hitting shots.  They never ran anything like the system; they were just good shooters with a fantastic bench and much better than the other teams they played.

[wilburt]

Check out this article on the Grinnell system   

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060130/SPORTS02/601300384&SearchID=73234431837573

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Didn't someone just post that here like two days ago?