Top 25 discussion

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10.  Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.

While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago.  They are one tough team!

While it probably won't happen, I'd love to see IWU and Carthage in different brackets.  I think they are both FF-quality teams.

[Laserty]

Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.

Oh, I agree with that, and am not positive I would rank them any higher overall myself.  They are like Eastern Mennonite for the men - EMU has destroyed  TWO then #1 teams (and some other ranked teams), but also lost to three teams they should have beaten.  Carthage and EMU are just about impossible to rank - but also definite threats to go to the FF!

[sunny]

Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.

Oh, I agree with that, and am not positive I would rank them any higher overall myself.  They are like Eastern Mennonite for the men - EMU has destroyed  TWO then #1 teams (and some other ranked teams), but also lost to three teams they should have beaten.  Carthage and EMU are just about impossible to rank - but also definite threats to go to the FF!

FWIW, I had Carthage at #7 this week.  They are my highest-ranked three-loss team. 

[Erm Schmigget]

Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.

Also, take into account that they beat Hope by (only) 4, without preseason AA Snikkers.  Since her return Jan. 27, Carrie has had a double-double against current #11 Calvin (in 23 minutes), and been named co-MIAA player of the week.  She is indeed important to the program's success, and with her in the game, many would argue that Hope probably would have beaten Carthage.

[WUPHF]

I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10.  Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.

While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago.  They are one tough team!

I know the coach at Robert Morris.  He is a great guy and a talented recruiter, but they are, at best third in their conference this year.  Is Elmhurst tough this year, because Washington University rolled over them on the road?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10.  Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.

While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago.  They are one tough team!

I know the coach at Robert Morris.  He is a great guy and a talented recruiter, but they are, at best third in their conference this year.  Is Elmhurst tough this year, because Washington University rolled over them on the road?

I would describe Elmhurst as more 'potentially' tough.  Lyndsie Long will probably be an AA this year - if she goes big and/or if she gets help, they can beat just about anyone.  But, as their record shows, they can also lose to just about any good team if things don't go right.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	Amherst	24-0	02/20 vs. Wesleyan
#2	595	Kean	24-1	def. Rowan, 76-55
#3	568	Illinois Wesleyan	23-1	def. Augustana, 79-40; 02/20 at North Park
#4	556	Hope	23-1	def. Albion, 81-46; 02/20 at Adrian
#5	514	George Fox	21-2	02/19 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/20 at Pacific Lutheran
#6	465	Washington U.	20-2	02/19 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/21 vs. Carnegie Mellon
#7	459	Marymount	23-1	def. Salisbury, 76-36; def. #23 Mary Washington, 54-38; 02/20 at Hood
#8	445	William Paterson	24-1	def. Rutgers-Newark, 58-42; def. New Jersey City, 86-40
#9	389	Moravian	22-2	def. Goucher, 71-58; def. Catholic, 82-63; 02/20 vs. #13 Scranton
#10	385	Carthage	21-3	def. North Park, 86-39; 02/20 at Millikin
#11	370	Calvin	21-3	def. Adrian, 93-77; 02/20 at Alma
#12	342	Christopher Newport	23-0	02/19 at Greensboro; 02/20 at Methodist
#13	328	Scranton	21-3	def. Catholic, 75-46; 02/20 at #9 Moravian
#14	314	Thomas More	22-2	def. Thiel, 81-68; 02/20 at St. Vincent
#15	265	Puget Sound	20-3	02/19 vs. Pacific; 02/20 vs. Lewis and Clark
#16	213	Messiah	20-3	def. Lycoming, 64-43; 02/18 at Alvernia; 02/20 at Albright
#17	195	DePauw	20-3	02/19 vs. Rhodes; 02/21 vs. Birmingham-Southern
#18	185	Lebanon Valley	22-2	def. Elizabethtown, 70-62; 02/20 at Alvernia
#19	142	Louisiana College	20-2	def. Mississippi College, 62-61 OT; 02/18 at Texas-Tyler
#20	140	Tufts	20-4	def. Worcester State, 64-44; 02/20 vs. #29 Bowdoin
#21	132	Farmingdale State	22-0	02/18 vs. SUNY-Purchase; 02/20 at Mount St. Mary
#22	90	Washington and Jefferson	21-3	def. Waynesburg, 73-52; 02/20 at Bethany
#23	81	Mary Washington	18-4	LOST at #7 Marymount, 38-54; 02/20 vs. Salisbury; 02/21 vs. St. Mary's (Md.)
#24	71	Gettysburg	22-2	def. Dickinson, 49-33; 02/20 at McDaniel
#25	57	Chicago	17-5	02/19 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/21 vs. Case Western Reserve

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	44	Muhlenberg	19-4	def. Bryn Mawr, 67-43; def. Haverford, 74-72 OT; 02/20 at Ursinus
#27	43	UW-Stevens Point	19-5	def. UW-Platteville, 77-59; 02/20 at UW-La Crosse
#28	26	Mount Union	21-3	def. Muskingum, 65-55; 02/20 at Capital
#29	22	Bowdoin	19-5	02/20 at #20 Tufts
#30	21	Colby	21-3	02/20 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#31	12	Rochester	17-5	02/19 vs. Brandeis; 02/21 vs. New York University
#32	10	UW-Whitewater	18-6	def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-62; 02/20 vs. UW-Superior
T#33	8	Ithaca	20-4	02/19 at Stevens
T#33	8	Williams	18-6	02/20 vs. Bates
#35	7	St. Norbert	19-3	def. Finlandia, 103-43; 02/20 at Carroll
#36	5	Austin	17-6	02/19 at #37 Hendrix; 02/21 at Millsaps
#37	1	Hendrix	17-4	02/19 vs. #36 Austin; 02/21 vs. Colorado College

[BruinFan]

George Fox finishes the conference season with another 16-0 year in the tough Northwest Conference.

The program now has won 35 consecutive regular season conference games. I think this might be the longest currently active streak in D3 basketball.  Does anyone know for sure?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

George Fox finishes the conference season with another 16-0 year in the tough Northwest Conference.

The program now has won 35 consecutive regular season conference games. I think this might be the longest currently active streak in D3 basketball.  Does anyone know for sure?

Don't have a definitive answer, but I can add that Hope, who also just finished a 16-0 conference season, has won 29 in a row.  Over the last 3 seasons, Hope is 47-1 in conference play.

[ichouse]

Farmingdale goes down hard 68-43 to Mount St. Mary. Saw this coming as Farmingdale had multiple close games to the same teams MSMC was beating by 20 & 30 points. They should meet up again in the conference finals

[BruinFan]

Don't have a definitive answer, but I can add that Hope, who also just finished a 16-0 conference season, has won 29 in a row.  Over the last 3 seasons, Hope is 47-1 in conference play.

George Fox Univ. has a lot of respect for the Hope program. 47-1 is an amazing 3 year run. Bruins are just behind that with a 46-2 conference record. If I have my facts straight, the Hope seniors were 60-4 in conference over their career compared to the George Fox seniors with a record of 59-5.

Best of luck to all in the conference tournaments.

[Mr. Ypsi]

IWU can't quite match Hope or GFU, but is right behind.  They just closed out the best three-year run in CCIW history at 40-2; 44-2 if conference tourneys included (and 76-3 overall prior to the NCAA tourney).

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	Amherst	25-0	def. Wesleyan, 57-36
#2	595	Kean	24-1	def. Rowan, 76-55
#3	568	Illinois Wesleyan	24-1	def. Augustana, 79-40; def. North Park, 97-43
#4	556	Hope	24-1	def. Albion, 81-46; def. Adrian, 58-56
#5	514	George Fox	23-2	def. Lewis and Clark, 63-39; def. Pacific Lutheran, 60-41
#6	465	Washington U.	22-2	def. Case Western Reserve, 71-54; def. Carnegie Mellon, 89-61
#7	459	Marymount	24-1	def. Salisbury, 76-36; def. #23 Mary Washington, 54-38; def. Hood, 78-47
#8	445	William Paterson	24-1	def. Rutgers-Newark, 58-42; def. New Jersey City, 86-40
#9	389	Moravian	23-2	def. Goucher, 71-58; def. Catholic, 82-63; def. #13 Scranton, 77-60
#10	385	Carthage	22-3	def. North Park, 86-39; def. Millikin, 67-58
#11	370	Calvin	22-3	def. Adrian, 93-77; def. Alma, 65-62
#12	342	Christopher Newport	25-0	def. Greensboro, 71-59; def. Methodist, 63-54
#13	328	Scranton	21-4	def. Catholic, 75-46; LOST at #9 Moravian, 60-77
#14	314	Thomas More	22-3	def. Thiel, 81-68; LOST at St. Vincent, 56-64
#15	265	Puget Sound	22-3	def. Pacific, 59-47; def. Lewis and Clark, 67-53
#16	213	Messiah	21-4	def. Lycoming, 64-43; LOST at Alvernia, 60-63; def. Albright, 62-48
#17	195	DePauw	22-3	def. Rhodes, 64-44; def. Birmingham-Southern, 65-39
#18	185	Lebanon Valley	22-3	def. Elizabethtown, 70-62; LOST at Alvernia, 59-70
#19	142	Louisiana College	21-2	def. Mississippi College, 62-61 OT; def. Texas-Tyler, 60-47
#20	140	Tufts	20-5	def. Worcester State, 64-44; LOST to #29 Bowdoin, 54-65 OT
#21	132	Farmingdale State	23-1	def. SUNY-Purchase, 72-68; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 43-68
#22	90	Washington and Jefferson	22-3	def. Waynesburg, 73-52; def. Bethany, 52-42
#23	81	Mary Washington	20-4	LOST at #7 Marymount, 38-54; def. Salisbury, 81-53; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 71-48
#24	71	Gettysburg	22-3	def. Dickinson, 49-33; LOST at McDaniel, 70-82
#25	57	Chicago	19-5	def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-47; def. Case Western Reserve, 58-57

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	44	Muhlenberg	20-4	def. Bryn Mawr, 67-43; def. Haverford, 74-72 OT; def. Ursinus, 80-46
#27	43	UW-Stevens Point	19-6	def. UW-Platteville, 77-59; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 53-72
#28	26	Mount Union	21-4	def. Muskingum, 65-55; LOST at Capital, 64-66
#29	22	Bowdoin	20-5	def. #20 Tufts, 65-54 OT
#30	21	Colby	22-3	def. Trinity (Conn.), 65-57
#31	12	Rochester	18-6	LOST to Brandeis, 65-67; def. New York University, 60-59
#32	10	UW-Whitewater	19-6	def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-62; def. UW-Superior, 92-61
T#33	8	Ithaca	21-4	def. Stevens, 58-48
T#33	8	Williams	18-7	LOST to Bates, 63-70
#35	7	St. Norbert	20-3	def. Finlandia, 103-43; def. Carroll, 76-61
#36	5	Austin	18-7	LOST at #37 Hendrix, 59-64; def. Millsaps, 71-58
#37	1	Hendrix	19-4	def. #36 Austin, 64-59; def. Colorado College, 92-66

[Wydown Blvd.]

Wow. A lot of losses in the #13 to RV ranks. Creates an interesting mix for the next poll...