Top 25 discussion

[ronk]

 Saw 2 good teams this weekend: #8 Kean demolish McDaniel on a videocast(they caused 34 turnovers with 19 steals) and William Paterson in person against Scranton; They'll probably meet for the NJAC championship at the end of the year.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Assuming they all keep winning before the next poll (I assume that is not until next week?), I would be happy to agree (after all, I'm a Titan fan ).  All three games were very close, so I would guess they will cluster a bit closer, perhaps in the 6-10 range.

[BlueZoneBruin]

Pat,

Can you remind me what day the d3hoops polls come out each week?  Its been too many months since the tournament ended, and I'm out of practice.

BTW-Have fun with all the football coverage of the run to Salem. As a PLU and CLU alum, who lives 20 minutes from Linfield, its been a pretty interesting year already!

BlueZoneBruin

[Pat Coleman]

Voters vote on Monday through Sunday night's games and hopefully the poll is ready to release on Monday.

However, we are not doing a poll this week, in keeping with recent tradition. We think it's better to let another week of games shake out.

[Darryl Nester]

Posted the following this morning on the men's Top 25 discussion board, and neglected to post it here, too:

Just wanted to let everyone know that I am planning to post "How They Fared" again this season.  I have to confirm that the d3hoops.com update did not "break" my program; it will probably need a few tweaks because of the new layout, but I think they should be minor.  I plan to post a trial run tomorrow, and a final report Sunday night.  (I'm assuming there will be a new poll coming out next Monday.)

Had I looked here first, I would not have needed to make that parenthetical assumption. (That'll teach me.)

[BlueZoneBruin]

Darryl,

Thanks for doing that again this year!  I loved it each week last season, as it kept me from having to track it all myself. Lazy? Maybe, but moreso just a good time saver. Looking forward to it!

BlueZoneBruin

[BlueZoneBruin]

Pat,

Is there any place on the new site to look at archived rankings from past seasons? I know that we used to be able to look back at past years, but I haven't found it yet.

BlueZoneBruin

[Darryl Nester]

I had planned to post a trial run of "How They Fared" tonight (well ... technically, last night), but hit a few snags in the process.  Some are problems with my program, and some are lingering bugs from the d3hoops.com format change (e.g., the Mount Union women's team page is missing!)

I'll try to iron out enough of those problems to post a preliminary report tomorrow (after I've slept off my turkey binge).

[Pat Coleman]

(e.g., the Mount Union women's team page is missing!)

Ask and you shall receive.

[Darryl Nester]

Thanks to Pat's quick work, and a little more tweaking by me this morning, I can post this report pre-turkey binge:

How They Fared

This is incomplete because two schools (UW-Whitewater [42 poll points] and Skidmore [6]) had incomplete schedules.  In the latter case, most of the women's teams in that conference (Liberty League) are incomplete, presumably because they haven't partnered with d3hoops.com.  If you are a fan of such a school, send a note to your SID and/or AD and express your dissatisfaction.

Let me know if you see any issues (apart from those two schools being missing from the list).

(Edited to delete preliminary report; final weekly report posted below.)

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

This is nearly complete, except for the Puget Sound/Trinity game that is scheduled to start at 9:00.  (Someone else can post that when it ends; I won't be checking results that late tonight.)

Three other things:
1) One of yesterday's results (UW-LaCrosse/Northwestern) was not posted on the d3hoops.com pages, but I tracked it down at the LAX site.
2) Skidmore's schedule is still incomplete, so I have left them off this report, but as their record is currently 1-2, I think any further information about them is unnecessary to the voters.
3) This report does NOT note which games went to overtime.  I hope to restore that functionality to my program in the next week.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	621	Amherst	4-0	def. RPI, 80-40; def. New Paltz State, 64-39; def. Mount Holyoke, 73-23; def. Clark, 88-49
#2	576	Hope	4-0	def. Rochester (Mich.), 82-65; def. Manchester, 76-32; def. #46 Baldwin-Wallace, 72-45; def. Defiance, 76-56
#3	547	Illinois Wesleyan	2-2	LOST at #12 DePauw, 65-77; def. #7 Washington U., 73-68; LOST to #33 UW-Whitewater, 60-74; def. Cornell, 79-65
#4	485	Christopher Newport	3-0	def. Virginia Union, 68-63; def. Washington and Lee, 81-76; def. #15 Messiah, 82-38
#5	479	Rochester	3-1	LOST at T#38 Medaille, 52-53; def. #48 Ithaca, 92-50; def. Montclair State, 82-53; def. Elmira, 77-34
#6	460	UW-Stevens Point	4-1	def. #29 St. Thomas, 72-67; def. Hamline, 88-69; LOST to Millikin, 71-73; def. #26 Simpson, 78-60; def. Buena Vista, 79-57
#7	454	Washington U.	3-1	def. Fontbonne, 77-48; LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-73; def. #12 DePauw, 58-56; def. Augustana, 78-48
#8	351	Kean	4-0	def. McDaniel, 90-47; def. Juniata, 102-62; def. Redlands, 71-68; def. Cal Lutheran, 77-65
#9	340	Carthage	4-0	def. Concordia (Wis.), 86-51; def. Beloit, 80-44; def. Benedictine, 65-49; def. T#49 Coe, 62-57
#10	333	George Fox	4-2	def. Corban, 87-61; def. Southern Ore., 73-68; def. Chapman, 75-57; LOST at Concordia (Ore.), 64-84; LOST at Westminster (Utah), 41-50; def. Col. of Idaho, 58-51
#11	326	Mount Union	3-0	def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-42; def. Union, 61-49; def. St. John Fisher, 68-56
#12	313	DePauw	3-1	def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-65; LOST to #7 Washington U., 56-58; def. La Verne, 76-61; def. Redlands, 63-38
#13	272	Babson	3-0	def. #45 Brandeis, 62-59; def. Regis (Mass.), 65-45; def. #22 Western Connecticut, 82-76
#14	262	Williams	4-0	def. William Smith, 72-55; def. Emmanuel, 66-50; def. Springfield, 73-42; def. Massachusetts College, 84-54
#15	246	Messiah	3-2	LOST at Johns Hopkins, 58-61; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 77-45; def. Rowan, 70-47; def. Susquehanna, 50-44; LOST at #4 Christopher Newport, 38-82
#16	235	Gettysburg	3-1	def. York (N.Y.), 83-56; def. Frostburg State, 76-52; LOST at T#40 Muhlenberg, 60-63; def. York (Pa.), 75-56
#17	213	Mary Washington	2-2	LOST to Washington and Lee, 49-54; LOST at Randolph-Macon, 54-60; def. T#40 Roanoke, 70-61; def. Shenandoah, 69-48
#18	191	Bowdoin	2-1	LOST at Manhattanville, 62-66; def. Lesley, 86-45; def. University of New England, 82-55
#19	163	Thomas More	4-0	def. Capital, 73-64; def. Anderson, 68-40; def. Otterbein, 55-47; def. Wilmington, 65-44
#20	151	Lebanon Valley	5-1	def. Misericordia, 62-52; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 66-49; def. Brooklyn, 79-46; def. Elmira, 86-35; def. Medgar Evers, 84-44; LOST at Gallaudet, 69-80
#21	95	St. Norbert	2-1	def. Macalester, 63-52; def. UW-Oshkosh, 50-42; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 56-73
#22	82	Western Connecticut	3-1	def. Hunter, 81-39; def. Bates, 79-69; LOST at #13 Babson, 76-82; def. Emerson, 61-42
#23	81	Colby	3-0	def. New Paltz State, 61-46; def. RPI, 54-48; def. Maine-Farmington, 83-47
#24	80	Calvin	3-2	def. Manchester, 62-48; LOST at #33 UW-Whitewater, 54-60; def. Heidelberg, 65-40; def. Aquinas, 87-59; LOST at Ind.-South Bend, 63-64
#25	74	St. Vincent	4-0	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 92-53; def. Wilmington, 72-58; def. John Carroll, 82-69; def. Allegheny, 70-33

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	71	Simpson	2-3	LOST at Grand View, 69-70; LOST at #35 UW-River Falls, 54-58; def. North Central (Minn.), 88-41; LOST to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 60-78; def. Iowa Wesleyan, 96-78
T#27	66	UW-La Crosse	6-0	def. Luther, 82-52; def. Edgewood, 74-27; def. Ripon, 77-39; def. Viterbo, 68-39; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 80-65; def. #42 Chicago, 62-56
T#27	66	DeSales	3-2	def. Cedar Crest, 79-28; def. Cabrini, 71-42; LOST to Ursinus, 37-39; def. #30 Scranton, 77-63; LOST at Moravian, 46-66
#29	62	St. Thomas	1-2	LOST to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 67-72; def. Occidental, 59-58; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-75
#30	51	Scranton	2-2	def. Montclair State, 58-46; LOST to T#43 William Paterson, 62-71; LOST at T#27 DeSales, 63-77; def. King's, 87-49
#31	47	UW-Stout	3-3	LOST to St. Cloud St., 64-101; LOST at Ripon, 47-59; def. Edgewood, 66-62; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 72-49; def. St. Scholastica, 79-55; LOST to Carroll, 63-78
#32	44	Utica	3-1	def. Potsdam State, 66-48; def. Castleton State, 68-49; LOST at Keene State, 66-75; def. Cazenovia, 86-43
#33	42	UW-Whitewater	3-1	def. #24 Calvin, 60-54; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 68-79; def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 74-60; def. Clarke, 74-42
#34	41	Marymount	0-3	LOST to Randolph-Macon, 64-86; LOST to Neumann, 35-54; LOST to Redlands, 48-68
#35	40	UW-River Falls	3-1	LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 59-70; def. #26 Simpson, 58-54; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 74-43; def. Macalester, 72-53
#36	29	Puget Sound	3-1	LOST to Northwest (Wash), 74-78; def. Oglethorpe, 74-45; def. Whittier, 76-44; def. Trinity (Texas) 58-44
#37	25	St. Benedict	3-0	def. UW-Eau Claire, 69-58; def. Piedmont, 78-54; def. Emory, 71-53
T#38	15	Lewis and Clark	3-1	def. Evergreen St., 68-51; def. Whittier, 73-43; def. Oglethorpe, 83-64; LOST at Portland St., 47-74
T#38	15	Medaille	2-1	def. #5 Rochester, 53-52; def. SUNY-Purchase, 82-63; LOST at New York University, 63-67
T#40	13	Muhlenberg	4-0	def. Moravian, 68-55; def. Mount St. Vincent, 101-47; def. Richard Stockton, 71-67; def. #16 Gettysburg, 63-60
T#40	13	Roanoke	1-1	def. Ferrum, 73-64; LOST to #17 Mary Washington, 61-70
#42	12	Chicago	3-2	def. North Central (Ill.), 79-54; def. Loras, 74-65; LOST at Lakeland, 63-70; def. Luther, 85-55; LOST at T#27 UW-La Crosse, 56-62
T#43	9	William Paterson	5-0	def. Manhattanville, 81-60; def. #30 Scranton, 71-62; def. Ursinus, 61-44; def. York (N.Y.), 81-39; def. Baruch, 76-57
T#43	9	Whitman	3-1	def. Northwest (Wash), 70-69; def. UC Santa Cruz, 69-50; LOST at Northwest (Wash), 71-74; def. Evergreen St., 68-46
#45	7	Brandeis	3-3	def. WPI, 55-46; LOST to #13 Babson, 59-62; def. Connecticut College, 68-36; LOST to Rhode Island College, 49-66; def. Wellesley, 48-37; LOST at Tufts, 51-54
#46	6	Baldwin-Wallace	3-1	def. Wittenberg, 70-52; def. Alma, 56-41; LOST at #2 Hope, 45-72; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-62
#47	3	Hendrix	2-3	def. East Texas Baptist, 70-61; LOST at Greenville, 61-63; LOST to Westminster (Mo.), 60-65; LOST to University of the Ozarks, 65-78; def. Rust, 72-52
#48	2	Ithaca	2-2	def. William Smith, 78-64; LOST at #5 Rochester, 50-92; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 59-73; def. Potsdam State, 65-41
T#49	1	Centre	3-2	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 52-51; LOST to Howard Payne, 64-74; def. Berry, 73-60; def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-44; LOST at Transylvania, 62-82
T#49	1	Coe	2-1	def. Augustana, 65-57; def. Mount Mercy, 63-58; LOST to #9 Carthage, 57-62

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Look's like CNU might do well IF the new poll were to come out tomorrow. I am a USASouth fan through and through but what worries me the most about the CNU team down the stretch is their depth.  Grant it the conference outside the top 4 or 5 teams is weak.  CNU starters are averaging 25+ min per game and I am not sure now their top 10 ranking will hold up.  It was a 5 point game last year at Mary Baldwin.  Unfortunately for CNU, they will need to go perfect in conference play to prove they can be the 'Butler" of d3 women's basketball. No pressure.

[Darryl Nester]

Look's like CNU might do well IF the new poll were to come out tomorrow. ...

It will -- or at least the voting takes place tomorrow.  (See the note at the top of the Top 25 page.)

As you say, it is early, but that 44-point win over Messiah looks pretty convincing so far.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

As you say, it is early, but that 44-point win over Messiah looks pretty convincing so far.

I know you would think so...

As I stated on the USASouth board I wouldn't expect a top 15 team to be outscored 53-9.  They did lose to JHU, a team they beat by 19 last year. (Messiah pretty much has the same team they had last year.)  I don't want to take away from Messiah, but it looks like the polls in pre-season relied on Messiah's rich basketball history and the success they had as a young team.  How many ranked teams did Messiah play last year on their 24-5 season?  I see York for sure, but they lost to them.


I also want to say good for you CNU on your 44 point win.  I still don't think the southern schools get enough credit with the polls.  I am trying to think of some teams that have done well from the south in recent years.  Randolph-Macon, Trinity, Oglethorpe, Howard Payne.  I believe all 4 of these teams at least made it to the final 4 within the last 6 years.  The problem with the south is we are so spread out that when tournament time comes along we just beat up each other.

Oglethorpe sticks in my mind the most because of what they did to Thomas More a few years ago.  It is a different style of basketball down here.

[David Collinge]

How They Fared

This is nearly complete, except for the Puget Sound/Trinity game that is scheduled to start at 9:00.  (Someone else can post that when it ends; I won't be checking results that late tonight.)

Updated as requested.  Nice to be back in the driver's seat for one last trip around the block, except that my old Model A has been turned into a DeLorean by you and your programming wizardry.