Top 25 discussion

[David Collinge]

New poll: WashU takes a dive, Williams takes a bigger one, and the fifth quintile is practically all new.

[Mr. Ypsi]

New poll: WashU takes a dive, Williams takes a bigger one, and the fifth quintile is practically all new.

David, you answered a question on the men's poll about Ferrum being a 'debutante'.  I wonder if Gallaudet (now just 4 points away from 25th) would also be a debutante on the women's poll, if they can continue to climb?  

One of my bowling teammates, who is blind, has a deaf daughter who was a star on the Gallaudet soccer team.   Quite an interesting family - despite blindness, he learned ASL to communicate with her; despite being profoundly deaf, she learned speech to communicate with him - AND the mother is wheelchair-bound, and not infrequently bed-ridden for days/weeks at a time!

[daoustian]

So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls?  Just maybe?   

[Mr. Ypsi]

So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls?  Just maybe?   

Maybe.  On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin.

[jumphigh]

how does William Patterson (11-2) climb to No. 23 in the latest poll? And Mt. St. Mary (11-2) the team that  beat them 60-44 not get a single point in the polls?

Mt. St. Mary will get a chance to prove them self Thursday with No. 20 Western Connecticut coming into the Kaplan Center. If MSMC can get the win, they may start to draw a little attention

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I guess Greensboro is where I expected them to be.  Although I think they did get more help from teams above them losing, than winning two games this past week.  CNU doesn't so much surprise me.  Interesting though Rochester did beat them last year and are ranked just below them.  CNU also did get a little help from teams above them losing over the weekend.  I am surprised to see Williams drop so far.  Grant it, the game wasn't that close at Amherst, but Amherst is the #1 team.  Williams did play @ Amherst.

Greensboro's biggest conference match-up happens tomorrow @ Ferrum.  (I dubbed USASouth Game of the Week, see posting)


On a different note, wanted to throw out there.  My high school (Fallston) back in MD, managed to raise $1,000 for the Jimmy V foundation.  They had a memorial tournament for the late Vernon Brown, former girls basketball coach, who succumbed to brain cancer just a few years ago.  

[David Collinge]

David, you answered a question on the men's poll about Ferrum being a 'debutante'.  I wonder if Gallaudet (now just 4 points away from 25th) would also be a debutante on the women's poll, if they can continue to climb?  

Gallaudet was ranked in the first four polls of the 1999-2000 season (Ronda Jo Miller's senior season), starting with a #7 ranking in the pre-season poll.

[sunny]

Admittedly, my poll is very different from the voters at large, outside of the top three, but I really scratch my head on the continued lack of support for Millikin. One of the their three losses is a non-D3 and I know their other two (UWEC, UW-Platteville) aren't *great* losses, but they aren't heinous. But look at the wins - one of two teams to beat UW-Stevens Point (other is Illinois Wesleyan), one of two teams to beat DePauw (other is Wash U) and the only team to beat Wisconsin Lutheran (who beat UW-Whitewater).  I don't want to pick on Mount Union, but when I compare Mount Union's resume to Millikin's, I have a hard time seeing Mount Union being 144 vote-points better ...

[troutman]

Well thats why I commented that if you did'nt know who Gallaludet was you would.Not just because my daughter play's for them but thay have 3 girls that are D1 class players Easter Faaiti,My daughter Britny Latham,and Stephanie Weiss.All three girls AAU teams finished deep In D1 seasons respectively.My daughter Britny had several D1 schools look at her but in the end she thought Gallaudet was where she could graduate college.Im so blessed that they have made a mark in the top 25 rankings.WBCA just posted their top 25 and have Gallaudet 24.Way to go girls.I dont know how far they will go but kudo's to them for making it this far.As in any sport anybody can beat anybody any givin day so they will have to keep winning to continue to climb in both poles.

[Mr. Ypsi]

So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls?  Just maybe?   

Maybe.  On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin.

Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.

Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous?   (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)

[David Collinge]

So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls?  Just maybe?   

Maybe.  On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin.

Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.

Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous?   (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)

Hope had 602 of a possible 605 points, while Amherst was #2 on all five ballots that didn't have them at the top.  So anywhere from one to three voters (probably three) had someone else between Amherst and Hope.  That voter or those voters could reasonably be expected to promote that team ahead of Hope.  So I'd expect, all other things being equal, Hope to have 22-24 first place votes and 622 points. 

Of course, someone could move Kean up ahead of Hope on the strength of today's victory.  Personally, not knowing anything substantive about either team, I'd say that #6 beating #1 on their home court in OT is not an upset but instead is an expected outcome, so I may not move either Amherst or Kean much on my hypothetical ballot..

[Mr. Ypsi]

So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls?  Just maybe?   

Maybe.  On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin.

Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.

Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous?   (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)

Hope had 602 of a possible 605 points, while Amherst was #2 on all five ballots that didn't have them at the top.  So anywhere from one to three voters (probably three) had someone else between Amherst and Hope.  That voter or those voters could reasonably be expected to promote that team ahead of Hope.  So I'd expect, all other things being equal, Hope to have 22-24 first place votes and 622 points. 

Of course, someone could move Kean up ahead of Hope on the strength of today's victory.  Personally, not knowing anything substantive about either team, I'd say that #6 beating #1 on their home court in OT is not an upset but instead is an expected outcome, so I may not move either Amherst or Kean much on my hypothetical ballot..

I think your prediction about Hope is very close to the mark.

Kean had better not go past Hope on the basis of this result, unless IWU takes a HUGE jump.  We won by 11 AT Kean less than two weeks ago!  (All regulars just knew I'd get IWU in this discussion somehow! )

Since this is the last year for the FF at the Shirk, I am really hoping the Titans can make it to their own party.  Hope just missed their chance both years, and IWU narrowly missed last year.

[jumphigh]

Mr. Ypsi,

did you get to see the IWU vs. Baruch game? If so what what did you think about the Baruch team? seems they had a respectable showing, 4-point game. And like you said the following night IWU beat Kean by 11-points. I have seen Baruch play and wanted to get an idea how they stack up to the other teams IWU have played

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I think after this week, if Greensboro wins both games. They should be in the top 25 or the first one out at #26.

#19/#28 Greensboro plays 9-2 Ferrum today and NCWC on Saturday (combined OPW% of .550). Greensboro should then be 16-0 (If things go well today and through next week) when they play CNU.  I will be tuning in for that game.  I hope the rest of the pollsters do too. (Clearly that will be listed as my game of the week on the USASouth board)

As much as I am glad to see Gallaudet continue to rise in the polls, I don't think their SOS this week should warrant a few more votes.   They should go 3-0 this week but opponents are a combined 9-23 (OPW% of .391)  They haven't really been blowing out teams with winning records either.

If Chicago beats Rochester this week, forget my argument

[WLCALUM83]

Final (affects an ARV squad):

Concordia-WI 66, Wisconsin Lutheran 60  (CUW release indicated this was a tight one throughout until a Falcon player hit a clutch 3 late to provide distance the home squad needed to seal that one. This poster half expected something of the kind, anyway. The Warriors rarely win in Mequon.)