Top 25 discussion

[Pat Coleman]

So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.

The Massey Ratings have Greensboro as #136.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1

Even if they are off by 90 spots we are right.

[feces monkey]

Hmmm. I was led to believe that this poll was based on the best and the brightest minds of the Division III world. Now, evidently, the deep thinkers rely on Big Blue to brace their rankings.

Is expediency a virtue?

[Fawkes316]

Ok guys i suggest that you get off of PridesportBBallguy. I think he is right I do think that we have gotten sunffed off of some votes. We play tough teams that are NOT DIII and we hang with them. I think it there is no way that you can expect us to hang with a DI team as well as we did. We might of got the crap beat out of us but hey atleast we go out of DIII to try to get better. So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.

The only complaint Greensboro has is with themselves and maybe their fellow conference schools. They get to make their own non-conference schedule. Stop scheduling DI schools that you have no chance of beating. It isn't the Top 25 teams who "try to get better", it's the 25 best teams.

Plus you lost to a Davidson team that at the time was 1-5 and had only beaten that powerhouse Oglethorpe who got trounced tonight. It's not like you lost by 41 to Tennessee.

[Ralph Turner]

... So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.

Because each of the twenty-five voters found 25 teams that each thought were better. In fact, the best that a single vote for Greensboro would mean would be a tie for 37th.

As I look at the poll, I don't see Howard Payne or Mary Hardin-Baylor getting a single vote.  Howard Payne plays Trinity on Friday night and could win the Texas bracket.  The ASC-Pre-season POTY left UMHB in early November.  By the end of the season, UMHB had developed younger players, had established the most momentum and pushed the #2 South Region seed McMurry in the ASC Tourney finals.

We South Region fans hope that Greensboro wins a game over a non-region foe.  Good luck and travel safely.

[dballa]

Ralph HPU is ranked #20 in the d3hoops poll as well as the WBCA poll.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities.  Which means they get a little extra money then private colleges like greensboro college.  The reason for scheduling those D-1 schools is for the mere fact that they pay D-III schools good money to get beat up on.  if that is then the case then schdeuling D-III opponets would not bring in the money to help run the program.  It works both ways each side is getting better.  Greensboro college womens teams has done something in the conference that no-one has done in 18 years and that is win back to back conference and tournament championships.  The last team to do it was UNC-Greensboro.  In 1988 they did win the National Championship.  I think this top 25 poll is worthless.  I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team.  If they are weak.  Then why are they being placed in the polls.  That must mean there are other weak teams in the polls.  I think that when people see teams, that they have known to be good in the past will assume that when they win 20 games that must mean they are a good team.  Pollsters should start looking at what teams are doing now and not let that be a reflection of what they did in the past.

[Wydown Blvd.]

I think this top 25 poll is worthless.  I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team.  If they are weak.  Then why are they being placed in the polls.  That must mean there are other weak teams in the polls.

If your going to poll-bash, at least be credible. You sound like my ten year old brother.

[Pat Coleman]

I think this top 25 poll is worthless.  I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team.  If they are weak.  Then why are they being placed in the polls. 

Just because one person says Moravian is weak doesn't make it so.

Just because one person says Greensboro deserves to be in the Top 25 doesn't make it so.

Feces, I don't consult Massey unless I need it to show someone in denial how their team stands on a national scale.

[Wydown Blvd.]

Earn your credibility by winning in the tourney on the national stage. Whining for the GC team does nothing. Go ahead and shock the world. Flying under the radar is necessarily a bad thing. On vote in the poll won't scare the opponent.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

It looks like this has turned into a bash Pridesportbballguy instead of looking at GC. I said something about their acomplishments and not one of you acknowledge it.  I said before, most of your top 25 teams are a public universities so they get a little extra funding then little old GC...funding to go out and play the teams further away...going out to find recruits that are further away.  How more credible to I need to be the top 25 teams have bigger budgets to buy themselves some wins.  I know there are execptions to that.  Greensboro is earning their wins.

[jagluski]

First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities.  

Is this even true?  I'm willing to bet not...I would guess that less than 10 of the top 25 are public.  Just like your statement yesterday, how about you do some fact checking before you make these wild blanket statements.

Oh...and Washington University in St. Louis...4 time national champion, 9 time consecutive UAA champion, 17 trips in a row to the tourney.  Private school.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

If I am wrong about the top 25 with public then I will admit it.  I had someone tell me that was the case.  I will not look down upon Washington U.  I think they will again get to at least the final four.  Look at it this way based on tution alone Washington U has the potential to spend a little more then greensboro.  Washington is bringing in about 204.8 million dollars vs. 17.02 million dollars (princetonreview) I know not all of it is going towards sports most of it is going to fund the school in other places.  The same applies to greensboro.  Since Washington U. has been winning for quite a while I am pretty sure they have a hefty budget.  The point is schools with lots of money can fund thier teams better go out to anywhere to recruit players.   That of course is not true in all cases.  Yet those teams that it doesn't apply too.  Good for you all (Howard Payne and Depauw) Although I do think Texas and Indiana have some pretty talented players no matter how small they are. (They really don't have to go far to get talent)

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph HPU is ranked #20 in the d3hoops poll as well as the WBCA poll.

Well, boink, dballa!  My bad, and beat Trinity!

Looking forward to out getting to play you on Saturday.

Kimbrell is gonna be rockin' on Friday night!

[Fawkes316]

PrideSportBBallGuy- I respect what Greensboro has done and their ability to overcome their circumstances and be successful. But that doesn't mean I have to overvalue them because they overcame those things. It isn't the top 25 teams if all things were equal.  They aren't one of the 25 best teams in the country, but that doesn't diminish their achievements and you shouldn't let it. If your description of their situation is accurate then it is amazing what they have accomplished, and you should enjoy it while it lasts.  Enjoy whatever success they have and don't let a top 25 poll ruin your day.

[bearsfan]

Actually, from everything I have ever read about Wash U budgets, the athletic department gets very little money from the school funds. The administrators feel that sports are more of a club hence why they stay Division III while having the potential for DI money and scholarships if the administration decided to go that way and therefore give little to them. Most of the athletic department's money comes from fundraising through alumni and the community which I am sure is similar to how Greensboro gets it's money.

I'm not gonna chime in on whether Greensboro is Top 25 material or not cause I honestly don't know much on them. I think if they are Top 25 they will show it in the next few weeks and get a spot in the final poll. But just wanted to clarify that I am pretty certain that very little of the $204.8 million the university itself gets goes to the athletic department and most of it is earned the hard way.