Top 25 discussion

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them?  maybe top 5 in each region?  would be a ton of work.

Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?

[Ron Boerger]

any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them?  maybe top 5 in each region?  would be a ton of work.

Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?

Probably the latter 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them?  maybe top 5 in each region?  would be a ton of work.

Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?

Probably the latter 

You basically get that after they come out - we're not quiet about questions and disagreements, usually with numbers to back them up.

[scottiedawg]

My take isn't necessarily right, but that's how I try to process the different variables.

Thanks for this incredibly insightful and detailed post. I learned a lot!

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them?  maybe top 5 in each region?  would be a ton of work.

Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?

yes to latter.  Some of us do not follow many of the top 25 because they are far away.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To be blunt ... regional rankings are a ton of work. We (D3hoops) don't have the time to break down not only the teams who are ranked, but also break down those who aren't ranked because they could be ranked.

But as Ryan indicated, we do tend to provide our opinions when the rankings come up based on numbers and how we understand the criteria works and is being used. I even used to do a small Hoopsville show on Wednesday afternoons - at least for one or two seasons.

We do break things down on Selection Sunday. We dive in pretty deep trying to figure things out as we make our mock-selections.

In the meantime, you should consider tuning into Hoopsville. We air LIVE on Sundays and Thursdays starting at 7:00 pm ET - this Thursday is our 7th Annual Marathon Show starting at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least 9 hours. We spend time talking about all the regions during the week (regions traditionally broken down into four each per show). The Marathon show will feature interviews with both committee chairs as well.

If you can't watch the show live, it is available On Demand and turned around into a podcast that can basically be found on any podcast outlet you can think of.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Time for a marathon!

Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.

For more information about the show and its impact, click here.

The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.

The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).

Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.

And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.


When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel

All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.

If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.

Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change

Time (ET)	Guest	School/Institution
12:20 p.m.	Jim Calhoun	St. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach
12:40 p.m.	Pat Juckem	No. 11 WashU men's coach
1:00 p.m.	Brian Morehouse	No. 3 Hope women's coach
1:20 p.m.	Lauren Busalacchi	Ripon women's coach
1:40 p.m.	Ryan Hyland	John Jay men's coach
2:00 p.m.	Dan Dutcher	NCAA VP for Division III
2:40 p.m.	Karin Harvey	Montclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair
3:00 p.m.	Adrienne Shibles	No. 2 Bowdoin women's coach
3:20 p.m.	Kate Pearson	Cabrini women's coach
3:40 p.m.	Matt Gilbride	RPI men's coach
4:00 p.m.	Sam Atkinson	Gallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair
4:20 p.m.	Matt Donahue	Catholic women's coach
4:40 p.m.	Charles Katsiaficas	Pomona-Pitzer men's coach
5:00 p.m.	Jon Herbrechtsmeyer	No. 5 Bethel women's coach
5:20 p.m.	Chris Carideo	Widener men's coach
5:40 p.m.	Dave Hixon	Amherst men's coach (sabbatical)
6:00 p.m.	Tricia Cullop	WBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach
6:20 p.m.	Alex Richey	No. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach
6:40 p.m.	Jody May	Albion men's coach
7:00 p.m.	Dave Macedo	No. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach
7:20 p.m.	Melissa Kuberka	St. John Fisher women's coach
8:00 p.m.	HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR	A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

(superseded by complete report)

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Trinity @ Centenary still has 15 minutes to go, but with Trinity holding a 59-14 edge, I'm going to go out on a limb and call it.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Tufts	20-0	won at #2 Bowdoin, 97-88; won at Colby, 58-36
#2	595	Bowdoin	20-1	won at Becker, 76-40; LOST to #1 Tufts, 88-97; def. Bates, 80-59
#3	587	Hope	20-0	won at #37 Albion, 60-38; def. Kalamazoo, 104-39
#4	548	DePauw	19-1	def. Wittenberg, 57-45; def. Oberlin, 71-61
#5	458	Bethel	19-0	def. St. Catherine, 77-56; def. Macalester, 82-41
#6	431	UW-Whitewater	17-2	def. #20 UW-La Crosse, 73-47
#7	425	Transylvania	18-1	won at Franklin, 73-62; won at Defiance, 79-50
#8	405	Amherst	17-3	won at Wesleyan, 53-49
#9	402	Whitman	17-2	won at Pacific Lutheran, 63-51; won at Puget Sound, 59-47
#10	389	Wartburg	17-3	def. Coe, 75-55; def. Central, 90-62
#11	376	Trinity (Texas)	16-3	LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 81-83; won at Centenary (La.), 59-14 (3rd qtr)
#12	333	Loras	18-2	won at Central, 69-46; def. #30 Simpson, 76-72
#13	324	Mary Hardin-Baylor	15-4	won at McMurry, 74-59; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 64-67
#14	277	Baldwin Wallace	17-2	won at Heidelberg, 90-55; def. Muskingum, 86-56
#15	254	Chicago	15-3	def. #25 Emory, 80-71; def. Rochester, 73-58
#16	221	Scranton	16-3	def. Drew, 64-53; won at Elizabethtown, 61-48
#17	215	St. Thomas	15-4	LOST at #19 Augsburg, 56-60; won at #23 Gustavus Adolphus, 68-67
#18	207	Oglethorpe	21-1	won at Hendrix, 91-49; won at Rhodes, 78-71
#19	206	Augsburg	16-3	def. #17 St. Thomas, 60-56; won at Carleton, 97-90 OT
#20	169	UW-La Crosse	14-5	LOST at #6 UW-Whitewater, 47-73
#21	152	George Fox	15-4	def. Linfield, 62-50; won at Willamette, 71-53
#22	129	Gettysburg	18-1	won at Franklin and Marshall, 71-53; def. Swarthmore, 78-62
#23	117	Gustavus Adolphus	14-5	LOST to St. Benedict, 53-64; LOST to #17 St. Thomas, 67-68
#24	68	Austin	17-2	def. Colorado College, 64-61; def. JWU-Denver, 90-48
#25	54	Emory	14-4	LOST at #15 Chicago, 71-80; LOST at Washington U., 83-84 OT

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Texas-Dallas	15-4	won at University of the Ozarks, 76-53
#27	36	Albright	18-1	def. Arcadia, 70-48
#28	25	John Carroll	17-2	def. Mount Union, 67-63; won at Marietta, 74-50
#29	13	DeSales	15-4	won at Eastern, 59-57; def. King's, 75-56
#30	10	Simpson	15-5	LOST to Luther, 63-73; LOST at #12 Loras, 72-76
#31	8	Catholic	16-3	won at Goucher, 77-54; def. Moravian, 68-46
#32	7	Messiah	16-4	def. Lycoming, 58-23; def. Arcadia, 55-35
#33	6	New York University	14-4	def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 75-87
#34	5	East Texas Baptist	15-4	won at LeTourneau, 67-53; def. LeTourneau, 50-47
T#35	4	Cortland	16-2	won at Fredonia, 88-53; LOST at Buffalo State, 65-75
T#35	4	Trine	16-4	def. Calvin, 56-33; won at Olivet, 71-39
#37	1	Albion	16-4	LOST to #3 Hope, 38-60; def. Adrian, 66-55

[deiscanton]

How They Fared (Complete)

Trinity @ Centenary still has 15 minutes to go, but with Trinity holding a 59-14 edge, I'm going to go out on a limb and call it.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Tufts	20-0	won at #2 Bowdoin, 97-88; won at Colby, 58-36
#2	595	Bowdoin	20-1	won at Becker, 76-40; LOST to #1 Tufts, 88-97; def. Bates, 80-59
#3	587	Hope	20-0	won at #37 Albion, 60-38; def. Kalamazoo, 104-39
#4	548	DePauw	19-1	def. Wittenberg, 57-45; def. Oberlin, 71-61
#5	458	Bethel	19-0	def. St. Catherine, 77-56; def. Macalester, 82-41
#6	431	UW-Whitewater	17-2	def. #20 UW-La Crosse, 73-47
#7	425	Transylvania	18-1	won at Franklin, 73-62; won at Defiance, 79-50
#8	405	Amherst	17-3	won at Wesleyan, 53-49
#9	402	Whitman	17-2	won at Pacific Lutheran, 63-51; won at Puget Sound, 59-47
#10	389	Wartburg	17-3	def. Coe, 75-55; def. Central, 90-62
#11	376	Trinity (Texas)	16-3	LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 81-83; won at Centenary (La.), 59-14 (3rd qtr)
#12	333	Loras	18-2	won at Central, 69-46; def. #30 Simpson, 76-72
#13	324	Mary Hardin-Baylor	15-4	won at McMurry, 74-59; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 64-67
#14	277	Baldwin Wallace	17-2	won at Heidelberg, 90-55; def. Muskingum, 86-56
#15	254	Chicago	15-3	def. #25 Emory, 80-71; def. Rochester, 73-58
#16	221	Scranton	16-3	def. Drew, 64-53; won at Elizabethtown, 61-48
#17	215	St. Thomas	15-4	LOST at #19 Augsburg, 56-60; won at #23 Gustavus Adolphus, 68-67
#18	207	Oglethorpe	21-1	won at Hendrix, 91-49; won at Rhodes, 78-71
#19	206	Augsburg	16-3	def. #17 St. Thomas, 60-56; won at Carleton, 97-90 OT
#20	169	UW-La Crosse	14-5	LOST at #6 UW-Whitewater, 47-73
#21	152	George Fox	15-4	def. Linfield, 62-50; won at Willamette, 71-53
#22	129	Gettysburg	18-1	won at Franklin and Marshall, 71-53; def. Swarthmore, 78-62
#23	117	Gustavus Adolphus	14-5	LOST to St. Benedict, 53-64; LOST to #17 St. Thomas, 67-68
#24	68	Austin	17-2	def. Colorado College, 64-61; def. JWU-Denver, 90-48
#25	54	Emory	14-4	LOST at #15 Chicago, 71-80; LOST at Washington U., 83-84 OT

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Texas-Dallas	15-4	won at University of the Ozarks, 76-53
#27	36	Albright	18-1	def. Arcadia, 70-48
#28	25	John Carroll	17-2	def. Mount Union, 67-63; won at Marietta, 74-50
#29	13	DeSales	15-4	won at Eastern, 59-57; def. King's, 75-56
#30	10	Simpson	15-5	LOST to Luther, 63-73; LOST at #12 Loras, 72-76
#31	8	Catholic	16-3	won at Goucher, 77-54; def. Moravian, 68-46
#32	7	Messiah	16-4	def. Lycoming, 58-23; def. Arcadia, 55-35
#33	6	New York University	14-4	def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 75-87
#34	5	East Texas Baptist	15-4	won at LeTourneau, 67-53; def. LeTourneau, 50-47
T#35	4	Cortland	16-2	won at Fredonia, 88-53; LOST at Buffalo State, 65-75
T#35	4	Trine	16-4	def. Calvin, 56-33; won at Olivet, 71-39
#37	1	Albion	16-4	LOST to #3 Hope, 38-60; def. Adrian, 66-55

Final

#11 Trinity (TX) 100, Centenary (La) 25

[gordonmann]

Ouch.

[Ron Boerger]

Probably a little frustration coming through after the disappointing loss at St. Thomas TX - it was 22-0 with less than five minutes gone - but Centenary has won all of one game this season. Trinity's starters only played 17-19 minutes.  At least the 6 1/2 hour bus ride home will be a happy one.

[scottiedawg]

Biggest vote gainers
+54, Austin (moved up largely because of attrition around them. Colorado College or JWU-Denver do not help the resume. Col College has decent Win%, but both are bad in Massey, Massey SOS, NCAA SOS)
+50, Chicago (their week doesn't look very impressive, but @Elizabethtown could be a sneaky good win)
+44, Bethel
+43, Augsburg
+41, UW-Whitewater
+41, Oglethorpe
+36, Baldwin Wallace
+34, John Carroll
+32, Gettysburg
+31, Albright
+24, Loras
+22, Whitman
+22, Scranton


-138, Mary Hardin-Baylor (MHB got hammered in the polls for the loss @ Hardin-Simmons, who are themselves receiving votes (now). Did voters think MHB was suspect to begin with? They're pretty good by most metrics)
-117, Gustavus Adolphus (2 home losses in a week will do this. Though both opponents were strong.)
-100, Trinity TX (they got similarly hammered (like MHB), only a road loss by 2 points to a decent team.....weird. )
-81, UW-LaCrosse (they lost half their votes losing AT a great team. Moral: don't lose. Beating bad teams is magnitudes better than losing to good ones. )
-61, St. Thomas (same story here, narrow road loss to a good team, narrow road win against a good team--lost 28% of your votes)
-43, Emory
-20, Bowdoin (Glad to see Bowdoin lose a mere 20 points. They shouldn't have dropped below 3 and the voters solidly kept them there.)
-10, Simpson

[gordonmann]

Did voters think MHB was suspect to begin with?

I did. We're at a point it the season now where voters are likely weighing recent results more heavily. Yes, pounding Whitman on December 8 was very impressive but teams change over the course of a season. Since Christmas Mary Hardin-Baylor has three losses to teams that were (and still are) all ranked below them in the poll or not at all (Austin, Texas-Dallas and Hardin-simmons). If the Cru is now playing at a level where their performance is more comparable to teams ranked in the 20s, then that's where they will eventually be ranked.

UW-LaCrosse (they lost half their votes losing AT a great team. Moral: don't lose. Beating bad teams is magnitudes better than losing to good ones. )

I think the moral here is voters eventually stop giving you the benefit of the doubt for losses and expect you to win games against good opponents. Five losses is a lot -- no other ranked team has that many. La Crosse is now 5-4 in its last nine games and those losses to Wartburg aren't as impressive now that Wartburg has a couple losses of its own.

Another moral to the story -- Losing by 26 is not the same as losing by 2. UW-Lax didn't just lose to Whitewater last week, they got obliterated. Take a look at Whitewater's performance recently. Cover up the names of their opponents and rank their performance on the basis of final scores. The only team that lost by more to Whitewater than Lax was River Falls (5-14, 0-8).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Division III basketball regular season has officially entered it's final month. Where has the time gone?

Seems like a perfect time to take a break for lunch. Chat about what is ahead and teams which have positioned themselves well to still be playing next month.

Thursday on Hoopsville (at a special time), we chat with not only a few of Top 25 programs, but also a team that has seemingly come out of nowhere to be contending in one of the more difficult conferences.

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