Top 25 discussion

[scottiedawg]

**Updated

Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 8.5
TopRight, 16.75
TopLeft, 22.5

Side, AVG Massey
Right, 12
Left, 15.5

as expected, the teams that win are zooming up the Massey rankings, given that they're beating good teams.

[scottiedawg]

Hope vs. Baldwin Wallace, AVG Massey: 2.5
Bowdoin vs. Trine, AVG Massey: 5
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, AVG Massey: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, AVG Massey: 12
Amherst vs. George Fox, AVG Massey: 12.5
Tufts vs. Williams, AVG Massey: 16
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, AVG Massey: 21
Messiah vs. Smith, AVG Massey: 29


Hope vs. Baldwin Wallace, Massey DIFF: 3
Bowdoin vs. Trine, Massey DIFF: 6
Amherst vs. George Fox, Massey DIFF: 7
Messiah vs. Smith, Massey DIFF: 8
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, Massey DIFF: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, Massey DIFF: 14
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, Massey DIFF: 20
Tufts vs. Williams, Massey DIFF: 26


BW @ Hope, Trine @ Bowdoin are the best games on paper!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.

What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.  

Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.

We will chat with those who were preparing for games on Friday and hear their reactions to the seasons coming to a close so quickly.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Michelle Ferenze, No. 10 Whitman women's coach
- John Krikorian, Christopher Newport men's coach
- Cheri Harrer, No. 9 Baldwin Wallace women's coach

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

While the season came to an abrupt end, there are still student-athletes, coaches, and programs to recognize for what they accomplished this season.

On a special edition of Hoopsville, we not only look at the final Top 25 polls of the season, but we also take a look at the All-Region awards. Plus, the NABC All Star Rosters are announced, exclusively, here tonight. We then will talk to long time NABC Board of Directors member Pat Cunningham about the team and the announcement he is retiring as Trinity (Texas) men's basketball coach.

And we have a round-table discussion of all things Division III basketball. Pat Coleman, Gordon Mann, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman saddle up to their computers and join us for a spirited chat and maybe even answer your questions.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Cunningham, NABC Board of Directors & Trinity (Texas) men's coach
- Pat Coleman, D3hoops.com Editor-in-Chief
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com National Columnist
- Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It has been a few years since Division III found itself at a place where so many important decisions needed to be made along with other events needing time and attention. However, never in NCAA history have we found ourselves with winter championships cut short, no spring sports at all, and more questions than answers for what might happen with fall sports and beyond.

COVID-19 has certainly made it's mark.

However, the coronavirus isn't the only important item in front of Division III that requires attention and decisions. Expanding and realigning regions in all sports is nearing the end of a multi-year process. The NCAA's effort to revamp it's student-athlete rules with "Names, Images, Likeness" (NIL) is at critical juncture, especially in DIII. And with the shutdown of 'March Madness' brought with it a sudden budget deficit.

That's just what Division III is dealing with overall. Individual schools are fighting just to keep the doors open. That could result in cutting sports, teams, or other challenges. That could cause conferences to tackle sudden changes in membership or sports sponsorships.

And of course, student-athletes and their well-being is even more important.

Plenty to be thinking about in Division III even athletes and teams are not competing right now.

On this special Hoopsville Podcast, NCAA Vice President for Division III Dan Dutcher joins Dave McHugh for an extensive, in-depth, and detailed conversation on the "State of DIII." Dutcher talks about how the decisions to shut down winter and spring championships came to be. Plus, how COVID-19 continues to impact the division, NCAA, schools, and conferences around the country. Dutcher explains how this year's DIII budget was impacted and if there will be any impact down the road. And Dutcher discusses how NIL is taking form in DIII along with the latest on Regional Realignment and Expansion.

You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3apilyF

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?

It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.

In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.

McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.

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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

He has been the Vice President for Division IIII since the position was created in 1996. And there are many who wish he remained a bit longer. However, he is now the former VP for #NCAAD3.

On this especially edition of #Hoopsville, Dave McHugh sits down with Dan Dutcher once again to look back at his career at the NCAA and especially DIII, the NCAA Convention, and much more. It is a bit of a "State of DIII" as Dutcher once again tries to give everyone an inside idea of how things work and why certain decisions are made. But the historic perspective is also so helpful when looking at such interesting times now.

Dutcher, who took early retirement and was one of 60 some-odd individuals to leave the NCAA headquarters recently, talks about his 35-plus years at the NCAA and numerous years guiding Division III. He also talks about what he will do with his time now and the emotions of walking out the NCAA doors for a final time.

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

WE ARE BACK!!!



Two years ago DIII was reeling with the news that fellow members of the MIAC had voted, in secret, to oust St. Thomas (Minn.) from the conference. It started a whirlwind of decisions and reactions on the UST campus and throughout the NCAA.

It also created a timeline: In two years time, UST would be leaving the MIAC and ultimately Division III. That meant watching two perennial basketball powers try and leave in style and on their terms. The Coronavirus Pandemic had other plans. Instead of celebrations, conference championships, and even national title chances... things have ended like a leaky ballon - just falling flat.

On the first Hoopsville podcast of the off-season, we chat with the two coaches who have kept their programs in the national conversation year in and year out and will now help them transition to Division I. Ruth Sinn and John Tauer join Dave McHugh to chat about the school and programs' history and love of Division III and how the change to DI will and will not change things.

It is a great conversation with two coaches who will be missed in DIII.

Plus, there are few things to note in the Hoopsville Notebook! Lots of coaching changes and a number of interesting twists with some of the searches. There are new rules that have been adopted for both sports. Plus what to expect from us, as a show, moving forward after taking some much need, and completely unintended, time off.

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[HOPEful]

I find Amherst receiving a #1 vote to be very strange. I have no doubt that they will be good this year, but I don't know what more Hope could possibly do to deserve unanimous number 1 votes. They haven't lost since March 2, 2019 and are returning 3 starters from that team. Two of them made the WBCA Coaches All American team last year.

[RogK]

A pre-season poll is merely a composite prediction.
It should be fully forgotten once actual game results start coming in.

[gordonmann]

HOPEful:

The majority of our voters agree with you, which is why Hope is No. 1 and Amherst is No. 16.

The more interesting votes to me are the first place tallies for East Texas Baptist because more than one person put the Tigers first.

You make the case well for the Flying Dutch to be first. We didn't get to see how good the 2019 or 2020 Hope team was on a national stage because of the pandemic. I'm glad that Kenedy, Olivia and Sydney will get another chance to answer the question, "How far can we go?"

There's also something to be said for winnning 25 games in a row in a conference that's arguably deeper at the top than the MIAA. I would take the third and fourth place teams in the ASC right now over the third and fourth place teams in the MIAA. Maybe that's the reasoning for the voters who had ETBU as No. 1.

With little or no non-conference games for a long time now, it has been really hard to compare teams across regions. I found myself all of last year wondering if my votes were exercises in circular logic. "Is Team X good because it beat Team B which I also think is good? Or are both not as good as I think and one is just better than the other?"

To RogK's point, while the preseason poll often holds up very well for predicting the final four teams, I'm less confident that will be the case this year. Or, putting it more positively, we could have a fun season with some new faces reaching the national quarterfinals and semifinals.

[HOPEful]

HOPEful:

The majority of our voters agree with you, which is why Hope is No. 1 and Amherst is No. 16.

The more interesting votes to me are the first place tallies for East Texas Baptist because more than one person put the Tigers first.

You make the case well for the Flying Dutch to be first. We didn't get to see how good the 2019 or 2020 Hope team was on a national stage because of the pandemic. I'm glad that Kenedy, Olivia and Sydney will get another chance to answer the question, "How far can we go?"

There's also something to be said for winning 25 games in a row in a conference that's arguably deeper at the top than the MIAA. I would take the third and fourth place teams in the ASC right now over the third and fourth place teams in the MIAA. Maybe that's the reasoning for the voters who had ETBU as No. 1.

With little or no non-conference games for a long time now, it has been really hard to compare teams across regions. I found myself all of last year wondering if my votes were exercises in circular logic. "Is Team X good because it beat Team B which I also think is good? Or are both not as good as I think and one is just better than the other?"

To RogK's point, while the preseason poll often holds up very well for predicting the final four teams, I'm less confident that will be the case this year. Or, putting it more positively, we could have a fun season with some new faces reaching the national quarterfinals and semifinals.

I totally understand the internal discussion. My internal monolog sounds something like this...

"Last time MIAA teams played tough non-conference opponents, Trine and Hope both were getting ready for Sweet 16 matchups. I believe the Trine team was already at Bowdoin when the game was cancelled. That Trine team was very good, proven by making it to the Sweet 16, and Hope beat them thrice that season. The following year, they were arguably better, despite losing Steers. And Hope beat them three times again. I agree wholeheartedly that the MIAA as a whole is weaker than the ASC. But winning 6 straight games in 2 years against a top 10 in conference rival is incredibly difficult. Just ask ETBU, who lost to MHB the second time they had to play them last season. MHB is a very good team. This is not to discredit ETBU, as they have a very legitimate chance to win it all this season. It's simply stating just how incredible the run this Hope team has gone on the past 2 years...

As for Amherst, DIII basketball isn't the same without the NESCAC. I'm glad we're playing full schedules with all conferences playing this season! I think Amherst is probably going to end up better than 16. But a first place vote is negligent to the responsibility in my opinion.

[gordonmann]

Good stuff. I'm glad we can have these conversations again